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    Posted: 03 Jun 2012 at 9:04am
I am attempting to fix the pto intermediate gear on my wd45. I know that I have to split this tractor to do this. The repair manual I downloaded talks about it. It says to split the tractor  at the torque tube & the engine clutch housing. Then after the split, remove the torque tube from the transmission housing to replace the intermediate gear. It says I must remove the transmission clutch located in the torque tube before I can replace the gear.

My Question is this. Do I need to remove this transmission clutch before attempting the split? Or will the gear shaft that that connects to the engine clutch pull free when I try to pull the torque tube free from the engine clutch housing?  Thanks for any help you can give.
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Rod - when you split the tractor behind the engine at the engine/foot clutch, those two will separate by pulling them apart as the shaft connecting to the clutch is splined and just slides out.   Mike
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Thanks Mike. I was hoping to keep moving on this split today. Now I can wait to remove the clutch until I make the split.
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The tranny clutch will stay with the engine as it's bolted to the flywheel.  I can't imagine why you'd need to remove it at all.  Otherwise, Mike has it right.  If you leave the clutch bolted together, you won't need to realign the clutch plates when you put the engine back in.
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Thanks for the information Aaron.
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You can replace the intermediate gear with out splitting. Don't remember all the details  but you have to remove the lock and slide the shaft out of gear.It can be done as I learned from Dad and later did one myself.
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I agree with Steve -- never done it but had it explained to me .
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Originally posted by B26240 B26240 wrote:

I agree with Steve -- never done it but had it explained to me .

Could you explain it to me?
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uploads/583/Intermediate_shaft_in_hydraulic_reservoir.JPG
This is a pic of the intermediate shaft from inside the hydraulic oil reservoir.  It usually comes out easily if it has recently been bathed in oil.  However, getting the intermediate gear back in place requires the use of any one of several tricks (thread, glue, dental floss, etc.) to hold the gear, bearings & washer in place.
 
The service manual procedure requires standing the torque housing on end in order to get a vertical drop of the intermediate gear & shaft.  A lot of work which is not necessary.
 
If it's not too late, send me a note with your e-mail address and I can send to you a procedure that I wrote out for a fellow several years ago.
 
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Rod, saw that you were looking for a procedure while I was trying to upload a pic.
 
I found your e-mail address.  Give it a check.
 
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Originally posted by SteveM C/IL SteveM C/IL wrote:



You can replace the intermediate gear with out splitting. Don't remember all the details  but you have to remove the lock and slide the shaft out of gear.It can be done as I learned from Dad and later did one myself.
i cant remember just how to do it but you remove the hyd. pump and go in through there you also use some small pices of bailing wire to hold some plungers on the pump. i have not done this but have seen it done. our local AC macanic replaced minelike that with out spliting the tractor he done it in about 2 hrs. he also told me when bush-hoging to run the tractor wide open and you wont tear them out it has been 20 yrs ago and by running wide open i have not tore anymore out.he said most all of them get tore out when running 1/2 throtle or less.
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Originally posted by AaronSEIA AaronSEIA wrote:

The tranny clutch will stay with the engine as it's bolted to the flywheel.  I can't imagine why you'd need to remove it at all.  Otherwise, Mike has it right.  If you leave the clutch bolted together, you won't need to realign the clutch plates when you put the engine back in.
AaronSEIA

I don't want to nit pick, but when a shop manual refers to the "transmission clutch", they generally are referring to the hand clutch as it stops power to the transmission.  The foot clutch is generally the "engine clutch".  I could see that you guys were starting to talk about the hand clutch and foot clutch by the same name and I think some misunderstanding was starting1
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Rod -- with pto  housing removed and hyd pump off the lock bolt can be removed  from bottom then shaft slid forward into hyd. pump area. to get back together it's best to have two people, one holding gear- and two washers in place from bottom and second person sliding shaft into place working from pump opening. There are two roller bearings inside intermediate gear but they will stay in place if gear is held level.
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Originally posted by stu(ON) stu(ON) wrote:

uploads/583/Intermediate_shaft_in_hydraulic_reservoir.JPG
This is a pic of the intermediate shaft from inside the hydraulic oil reservoir.  It usually comes out easily if it has recently been bathed in oil.  However, getting the intermediate gear back in place requires the use of any one of several tricks (thread, glue, dental floss, etc.) to hold the gear, bearings & washer in place.
 
The service manual procedure requires standing the torque housing on end in order to get a vertical drop of the intermediate gear & shaft.  A lot of work which is not necessary.
 
If it's not too late, send me a note with your e-mail address and I can send to you a procedure that I wrote out for a fellow several years ago.
 
stu

Stu,  Steve and all you other guys that said the intermediate gear could be done without splitting the tractor or even removing the clutch are absolutely right! I just finished doing it just about an hour ago.  Now I won't say it was easy, as a matter of fact have several tries I had given up and started to remove all the bolt necessary to do the split.
I hadn't checked my e-mail from you Stu and gotten your excellent written out procedure that outlines step by step the entire method.  I was just 'winging it' because no one seemed to remember how they or their dad had done it.  
    Just before I removed the last 4 bolts or so to do the split, my best friend Jeff drove up to see my lasted 'toy' and wanted to talk about it and try 'one more time'.  I can't believe that we actually did it! It's done. We did have one heck of a time getting the 'new' gear back in though. We couldn't figure out how to hold that flat sided spacer washer in while sliding the shaft back in place.  We ended up using a small amount of lub grease to stick it to the housing behind the gear.  Jeff said that when the transmission and PTO heated up, this small amount of grease will melt and mix with the hydraulic fluid without a problem.  Is He right?  Do I need to be concerned about this small amount of grease in the Torque Tube housing?
     Once again,  Thank all of you gentlemen for all of your help.  I could never have imagined that so many people could be that willing to help such a novice like me.   
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Rod - using the grease is perfect.  No issues with a bit of that mixing with the hydraulic fluid.  Mike
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1968 Gleaner EIII w 10' & 330
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Thanks Mike, That is a load off my mind.
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Glad you got it. Forgot that was done through hyd pump hole but didn't have a tractor in front of me to look at. Told ya it could be done! LOL
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Steve you were the first one to tell me it could be done. You got me working on it. Thanks for your help friend. it was a great , thanks a lot.
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