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Alberta Phil ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Location: Alberta, Canada Points: 3915 |
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The clutch on my D17 LP that I bought last winter was stuck and wouldn't release. After extensive soaking with PB Blaster, I still couldn't free it up so I split the tractor last night.
I installed one of my heavy wheeled buggies under the loader frame and bolted it to the rails to support the front half and supported the rear section on a block of hardwood with a 3/4 in. steel flat iron on top. After greasing the rails the block slides back on them as the tractor is split. I had to use the threaded rods to jack it apart until the splines pulled out of the clutch disc. Lower guide bolts are engine mounting bolts from my 1919 Twin City tractor which is apart in the next bay!! After getting it apart I noticed the splines on the input shaft are showing a lot of wear. I will install a new clutch and throwout bearing so I don't have to go in there again! |
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Alberta Phil ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Location: Alberta, Canada Points: 3915 |
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Alberta Phil ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Location: Alberta, Canada Points: 3915 |
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SteveM C/IL ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Shelbyville IL Points: 8612 |
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you REALLY need an input shaft
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DrAllis ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Points: 21834 |
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In all my years of seeing D17's used and abused and tortured, I've never seen a clutch shaft look like that....never.
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MACK ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 17 Nov 2009 Points: 7664 |
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I'm with Dr.Allis, have saw inside alot of ACs but never saw a shaft worn like that. Would say it didn't get heat treated. MACK
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Alberta Phil ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Location: Alberta, Canada Points: 3915 |
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I'm very surprised to see this myself as usually these shafts are hardened. I had a little trouble getting the clutch assembly out of the flywheel. When it finally came out the springs released and the throw out fingers snapped back to the engaged position. The whole assembly was jammed up with various chunks of clutch dust and crap! There's not much clearance between the pressure plate/disc and the rim of the flywheel.
I haven't had a look at the manual yet, but how much of a job is it to replace the input shaft?? As an alternative I was going to build up the splines and recut them. I realize some hardness would be lost unless I used a Stellite type material. I've done this before on pre-'20 tractors when there were no replacements available. Oddly enough, the clutch disc hub shows no wear on the splines!! Edited by Alberta Phil - 13 May 2012 at 11:16am |
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DrAllis ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Points: 21834 |
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That shaft is three feet long and requires a second splt at the dashboard area. Then the hydraulic pump must be removed from the belly of the torque tube housing. It's a big job even if you have all the tooling it requires.
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Alberta Phil ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Location: Alberta, Canada Points: 3915 |
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I'm going to build up and recut the splines on the shaft where it is. I've done this before on slightly larger shafts with good success.
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Alberta Phil ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Location: Alberta, Canada Points: 3915 |
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Well, I welded up the worn splines 2 at a time 180 degrees apart and let them cool, although they didn't get that hot with the wire feed welder., I then used a fine small grinding disc and a die grinder to smooth them off. After each set of two splines I tried the clutch disc until it slid easily. It took a couple of hours or so but seemed to work OK.
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dscott ![]() Silver Level ![]() Joined: 05 May 2012 Points: 81 |
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Wonder how the weld will hold up to the wear? Should be ok I think unless your going to work the crap out of it. By the way looks like a really nice job you did there.
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Alberta Phil ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Location: Alberta, Canada Points: 3915 |
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I tried a new file on the shaft to check hardness before and after welding and it doesn,t seem any different. I'm sure it's better than it was!! After all it took 52 years for it to get to the worn state it was!
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