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    Posted: 02 May 2011 at 11:07am

Sorry if this is a silly question, but can anyone tell me what today's equivalant to SAE 20W oil is?  I see in my D14 owners manual, that 20W oil is recommended in many of the gear boxes.  Is this just motor oil?  Thanks.
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The 821 oil available at your dealer is a better oil than plain engine oil.   It has anti-wear additives for gears and bearings.
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Ok, thanks.  I actually have a MF1643 and just changed the hydraulic fluid, so I have plenty of 821 sitting at the house now.  I didn't realize that SAE20W was the equivilant to hydraulic oil.
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All the new oils in the Trans-Hyd oils are blended to replace the old #20 oil used for hyd and gear oil of the past. these now have anti-foam, anti-wear, properties that the old oils did not have.
 Same as the mult-grade engine oils now replace the straight weight oils used in engines. Since these old tractors were made progress has been made in oil and in tractors but new oil work fine in old tractors and old tractors work great with the new oils.
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thy still make straght weght oils  20w-30w-40w  not all stores carry them try T S C or a farm fuel supply - yes you can use other motor oils [ 10/30- 15/40]
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Originally posted by pumpkin man pumpkin man wrote:

thy still make straght weght oils  20w-30w-40w  not all stores carry them try T S C or a farm fuel supply - yes you can use other motor oils [ 10/30- 15/40]



Oh, oh.  You just pulled my string!!!  LOL

There is no such thing as 30w or 40w oils.  The "w" stands for "winter" and specifications for winter oil stop at 25w (not that it's around).
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Universal tractor fluid or hytran is 20 weight oil.
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Thanks everyone for the answers.  Got another one...how about the SAE 80EP that is called out for in the transmission?  Is a 75W90 gear oil acceptable?
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 Yes.
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And your 821 hytran fluid will work fine in the tranny too.
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The newer hy-tran oils are great, but because they are so thin the have a tendency to seep through the old gaskets, so leaks are probable.
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Originally posted by TedBuiskerN.IL. TedBuiskerN.IL. wrote:

The newer hy-tran oils are great, but because they are so thin the have a tendency to seep through the old gaskets, so leaks are probable.


A 20 weight oil is still a 20 weight oil at operating temp.  It's just that the new oils don't thicken as much at cold temps as the old oils do.  In other words, they shouldn't leak much different.
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Originally posted by 427435 427435 wrote:


A 20 weight oil is still a 20 weight oil at operating temp.  It's just that the new oils don't thicken as much at cold temps as the old oils do.  In other words, they shouldn't leak much different.

That is true if you are using it in the hydraulic system. If however, you use it in place of 80-90 gear lube in the tranny and differential, it could find spaces to leak from that 80-90 wouldn't.
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Can I hijack this post a little?  I have a Hesston 1160 haybine, that asks for SAE20-20w SE Engine Oil.  The 1160 is a center pivot mower, with a PTO hydrauic pump that runs the sickle.
Is this Hydraulic Oil, or Engine Oil?  
What is the modern equivalent I should put into this?  

I was always told to get non-detergent hydraulic fluid to fill the pump reservoir, because regular Hydraulic fluid foamed to much, and the non-detergent helped that.  

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today ENGINE oils have a lot of addatives related to combustion / gasoline / heat... You would be further ahead with a good HYDRAULIC OIL... Most of them are in the 20w catagory... some are even multi viscosity.. a GOOD oil should not foam... Look at the back of the jug and see that it meets several specs from Allis / Case / Ford / JD / CAT... then you know your getting a quality oil.. If there are no SPECS, then its probably a cheap quality oil...... You can get this at FARM store, NAPA, ow Wal Mart..

BRAND is not important... SPEC should look something like this...




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20w oil back in those days referred to 20 weight non-detergent motor oil.
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I had a D14 once.  Except for the engine, I used Permatran 821 gold for most everything else. Didn't seem to have any problems.
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