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Bale Spear on a WD ?
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    Posted: 08 Nov 2019 at 12:06pm
Having some round bales delivered,  I'm thinking about putting a bale spear on my WD to move them around, but I'm concerned about the weight being a bit much.  Has anyone ever done this ?  Thoughts / concerns ?
 
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What size and weight of the bales ?????   They range from 800 lbs to over a ton.
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I've been told - 1200 lbs
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I used to move bales with a 45 that were800 to 1000 lb it handled those ok but 1200 lb bales I think will be a little too much.  the front will be little or wheels off the ground
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A few years ago I borrowed a dynamometer to weigh a 4X4 dry round bale.  It weighed 550 lbs. 
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Making the front end heavy enough to stay down is a situation that can be dealt with. I'd suggest you determine if your hydraulic pump is healthy enough to lift a bale. Plug in a 4,000 psi gauge into your remote outlet and raise the lift arms until the pump quits pumping. The gauge better show 3,000 psi or more. Also, when you build your bale spear attachment, keep it as close to the tractor as possible.  When fully raised up, I'd expect the bale to be your backrest when sitting in the seat. Closer is better for lifting.
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I've picked up 5x6 bales with my WD45 and loaded on my wagon. Take the bucket off the loader and weld up a spear mount to take its place. You want the bale as close to theta totals posiable. You'll need wheel wieghts lots of wieght. Wish he wheel wieghts tire chains and a cab I have 1500 lbs on the back of the tractor.ive picked up 5x6 bales with a pallet fork on a 3 pt adapter on the back with no problems. When the bale get over 1500 lbs the front gets so light you have to steer with the Bree's.
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Originally posted by Tim NH Tim NH wrote:

A few years ago I borrowed a dynamometer to weigh a 4X4 dry round bale.  It weighed 550 lbs. 
OK, I'm confused.....????
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A dynamometer measures torque and rotational output. I assumed he meant a scale or load cell.
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Jay thats what it said right on it. You could determine the length of a wire on a big reel, knowing the size of the conductor and what it weighed. It did have the face of a scale.   Tim
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I have not personally moved bales, but with a Speeco three point, and a 250-300 pound box balde, I can lift 1000 pounds in suitcase weights. I have talked to John Deere, and they said that the average bale spear, or at least their bottom dollar $600 bale spear was about 150 pounds, so you should be able to move a 1200 pound bale. At 1200 pounds on the box blade, the front tires were quite light, but the 1450-1500 pounds were just too much for the hydraulics. Hope this helps. 
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Originally posted by Dakota Dave Dakota Dave wrote:

A dynamometer measures torque and rotational output. I assumed he meant a scale or load cell.


There is also another type of device called a dynamometer, think of it as a fish scale on steroids. We used one in the sawmill business to measure the strain applied to the bandsaws on large bandmills.

https://www.johnsonscale.com/product-category/scales-balances/crane-scales-dynamometers/
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Dad and uncle moved 1200lb bales with grandpas old WD for years. It picks them up just fine (rear tires loaded). You will get a workout on the steering wheel
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I don't know how a wd and a d17 matchup weight Wise, but I use my d17 with homemade Bale spear attachment on rear a couple years ago and it works great on many different size and weight bales. I recycled an old bobcat pallet fork so the weight is probably half on the forks and half on the spear and it's like Dr Allis says when raised up it's almost touching the seat.

Edited by Hunt4Allis - 23 Sep 2022 at 6:54pm
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