What does the future hold

Fuels in general will go up, lack of local National supplies(Pipelines and fracking Stopped) the Powers that are in office currently will see to it we get shafted for as much as they can grab for coffers until we curtail usage, and that WILL happen.

My older brother managed a Mercedes and now a GM car dealership. His info from manufacturers says electric cars will be the only option in 20yrs.

Non-aviation gasoline use likely will become taxed massively to encourage persons not already sent to re-education camps to use non-fossil fuels, excluding natural gas.



Edited by KMAG - 07 Feb 2021 at 2:51pm

Crude will be hovering in the upper $70’s, lower $80’s within 2 years, barring any cataclysmic events.
The technology just is not in place for any drastic shift in how our transportation infrastructure. That is at least a100 years in the future.

It can't happen overnight.. If you think all cars and light trucks will be electric in 20 years, how about gas motors in the trucks that are NEW 18 years from now ?  You have to keep gasoline available for another 20 years for those vehicles... I would think the "plan" is to get most cars to electric, most light trucks to electric, and shut down the coal fired power plants... You will still see a lot of natural gas plants, and i think nukes will make a come back 20 years from now... They will not stop pumping crude.. Used to make lube oil, synthetics, plastic toys, car parts, kerosene, probably paint thinners, etc.. The push will be to eliminate "most" gasoline engines in cars, lawnmower, light trucks, etc... You cant run a  500 HP - 40 ton truck or  bulldozer 12 hours a day on a battery.. at least not until WAY in the future.

Edited by steve(ill) - 07 Feb 2021 at 4:18pm

What does the worlds largest "pit crane" run on ?? Even the diesels days are numbered .

FREEDGUY wrote: IMO, the '30 (2030) models of anything will be a "hybrid/totally electric" propelled vehicle that in turn "should" lower the fossil fuel cost due to demand. The "BIG OIL/Lobbyists" will make sure that doesn't happen though  .

wasn’t it just a few months ago crude oil futures dropped below $0?

What does that PIT CRANE or large shovel run on - ELECTRIC - and it's not supplied by solar cells or wind mills . Try diesel generators , either turbines or reciprocating engine powered . 
 I suppose one could use nuclear power but reactors are banned now also . Hydropower but that is on the hit list also . 
 But then Coal is dead and no need to mine it anymore , all them coal miners and pipeline workers and roughnecks in oil fields need to find desk jobs in the finance field where they can buy and sell futures in electric, food, heat, and other things people will need to survive in the new green world .

Look how fast a "vaccine" came about for the Covid !!

steve(ill) wrote: Look how fast a "vaccine" came about for the Covid !! are you promoting putting TRUMP back in the White House ??

When one thinks back wood was the source of heat for many years and or in other areas animal dung . 
 Then came coal and in many areas peat (great grandfather owned large peat bogs in Germany) but the industrial revolution needed more power to advance , water wheels , wind for other uses but even that was not enough . 
 Petroleum became the big advancement in both manufacturing and travel, from ships, to full navies running on oil and not on sails . Air travel and automobiles expanded the world , not to mention trains and trucks which we still depend on today . But from steam power to diesel electric advances . 
 To think somehow everything is going to be electric without the use of fossil fuels with some new technology coming along that already individuals say is bad it a real stretch .
  The place I worked was making prototype fuel cells for a couple different projects and these were based on the research done by Allis Chalmers in their development of the first Fuel Cell tractor . The process was bought by GM and they were trying to develop a cheaper method as the units we worked on were 280 titanium plates of about 1/8 inch thickness but them chemical machined with special porting and passages on both sides of plated - each plate being about 18" x 24" in size . these were then bonded or clamped into a unit where hydrogen passing through with H2O as the byproduct produced about 150 HP of usable electric .
  To process the titanium metals special acid resistant machines were needed as working with a witches brew of Hydrofluoric Acid and proprietary chemicals made handling the process a real dangerous operation let alone treating any byproducts from the process.
 One byproduct was titanium-oxide which could be used in paint but before the ramp up to full production the company I worked for sold out of business.    

Guess we will know they mean business when they make the Chinese fit those cargo ships with tall masts and make them sail back and forth. Ultimate wind power?

Hydrofluoric is bad juju
Once access the human body attacks bone for calcium
Does not stop nothing to remove or dilute

And the Chinese do not have to worry of they ever having EPA Down their throats, NOTHING any other nation can do to make them clean their act up.

If they force all the little hobby farmers to upgrade tractors most of us will have to bow out. That's all that many of us can afford is old worn out stuff. It is probably what big brother wants to happen anyway, get rid of the little guy. I just hope it is a long way down the road yet.