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Kansas99 ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 26 Feb 2015 Location: W Kansas Points: 4867 |
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So I was mowing awhile back and as I bounced through a hole the tractor stopped moving. Couple times with clutching and away it went. Then it came to a halt for good and I heard the clutch throw some shrapnel. Anyway I have it split planning on getting a clutch ,pilot bearing and throw out. However I can’t see anything wrong with pressure plate but it has a pretty good grove(to me) cut in it from a spring or something. I only use it to mow and run the hay fluffer so it doesn’t need to be perfect but the mower will pull from time to time. Just wanting opinions on pressure plate. See picture below, it’s the worst grove, hopefully it’s nothing and I’m too paranoid. Flywheel looks perfect.
Oh you can see wear in center of pressure plate but I don’t see this as a problem as there should never be pressure there or maybe not? ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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Kansas99 ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 26 Feb 2015 Location: W Kansas Points: 4867 |
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Oh, disregard those Budlight cans, we never drink while turning wrenches they were just oil catch cans. There just happened to be some oil dripping from the roof that I didn't want to get on the tractor.
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DSeries4 ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Ontario, Canada Points: 7468 |
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I would put a new pressure plate while you are already in there. The grooves might cause uneven wear on the new clutch plate.
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Rick ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Jonesburg,Mo. Points: 3689 |
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You need to have the entire clutch rebuilt to do the job right... Pressure plate groove is from the button pads wearing into it and needs to be resurfaced, along with the flywheel...the disc is obvious, throw out bearing and pilot bearing. I can do the job for 225.00, plus whatever the shipping charges might be...you can have the flywheel resurfaced locally there and save money on the heavy shipping charges. You're already that close to having the flywheel off with taking out the bolts, so why not have it turned and it'll last a long time? Send me a private message, if interested...Rick
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Bret (OH) ![]() Silver Level ![]() Joined: 15 Sep 2009 Location: Blanchester, OH Points: 353 |
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No way I would split a tractor for a clutch disc and not replace Pressure Plate and both bearings, and by all means resurface the flywheel.
Remember that whatever is removed from the clutch surface of the flywheel also needs to be removed from the pressure plate mounting surface. There is a specification for that dimension. I don't have access to the manual now but others will know the dimension. Also, if it were me, and if you are not going to be using it for heavy draft loads, replace the button clutch with a fiber lined disc. It will engage much less "grabby" than the button.
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Rick ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Jonesburg,Mo. Points: 3689 |
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The flywheel step is 1.437 and what is taken off the face of that is also taken from the top flange of the flywheel where the pressure plate mounts...flywheel depth...
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MACK ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 17 Nov 2009 Points: 7664 |
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Do it right or don't complain if it don't work good and last. MACK
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Kansas99 ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 26 Feb 2015 Location: W Kansas Points: 4867 |
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What's your thoughts on the wear on the pressure plate housing? Probably just get a new pressure plate?
Edited by Kansas99 - 08 Dec 2020 at 7:06am |
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Rick ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Jonesburg,Mo. Points: 3689 |
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The pressure plate can be resurfaced, not a problem at all and can have the thickness brought back to where it should be by using thicker pads to pick up the difference, but it NEEDS the flywheel to be resurfaced, so that the buttons can seat in good. Take the flywheel to a machine shop that actually resurfaces flywheels...they do a far better job than a lathe...and will put the correct cut on it to knock off the high spots on the buttons...
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Kansas99 ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 26 Feb 2015 Location: W Kansas Points: 4867 |
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Rick, I understand that but my concern was where the pressure plate back is wore in the center, the metal is pretty thin in that spot.(picture 2)
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Rick ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Jonesburg,Mo. Points: 3689 |
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Okay...I never saw that...that's where the loose center hub out of the clutch disc slung around inside there and cut a pretty good groove in it...it's okay, as I do have another unit I can use (core) and just use the parts out of your old one later...pressure plate, cups...things like that...
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farmboycitygirl ![]() Bronze Level ![]() Joined: 16 Feb 2010 Location: 66528 Points: 127 |
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Been there done that - split the tractor to rebuild the engine should have replaced the throw out bearing, it went out the next year and screwed the pressure plate.
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DrAllis ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Points: 21624 |
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Standard procedures while tractor is split: #1. replace clutch disc and pressure plate. #2. resurface flywheel. #3. replace rear crankshaft seal and wear sleeve. #4. replace clutch shaft seals(s) and gasket. #5 replace throw out brg. #6. replace pilot bearing. .. Anything short of these things and you will one day have to get back in there for something.
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HudCo ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 29 Jan 2013 Location: Plymouth Utah Points: 3844 |
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dont forget to turn the ring gear. by now i am sure one side is wore out or has some wear spots wear the engine always stops. theres nothing more annoying than a starter that will not engage
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DrAllis ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Points: 21624 |
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That would be #7.
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Kansas99 ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 26 Feb 2015 Location: W Kansas Points: 4867 |
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Any thoughts on why that clutch came apart.
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DrAllis ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Points: 21624 |
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Old age. Shock loads. Dumping the clutch. Heavy PTO loads. Many clutches fail like that in 4 to 5,000 hrs. How many are on it ??
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Kansas99 ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 26 Feb 2015 Location: W Kansas Points: 4867 |
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Not sure,bought it used with a new tach, oops I mean 156 original.
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ksbowman ![]() Silver Level ![]() Joined: 19 Mar 2013 Location: Paola, Ks Points: 228 |
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A 7' mower isn't much on a 185. I run a 15' batwing on my 170 and 180 diesels and they handle them easily. Even in heavy stuff.
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DrAllis ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Points: 21624 |
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It isn't too much unless you hit something. I've seen a One-Eighty that corkscrewed the PTO shaft with a 7 ft mower when hitting something pretty solid.
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ksbowman ![]() Silver Level ![]() Joined: 19 Mar 2013 Location: Paola, Ks Points: 228 |
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Sounds like they didn't check their gear box clutch and adjust it every spring.
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Kansas99 ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 26 Feb 2015 Location: W Kansas Points: 4867 |
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Got the 185 back together. Nice day today so went ahead and gave it a quick rinse. Took time to get a couple pics.
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DrAllis ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Points: 21624 |
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Be sure to adjust the clutch pedal free-play to 4 inches and that will give you many years of service life. That's a sharp looking tractor and the OEM muffler always stands out compared to any after-market muffler.
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FREEDGUY ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 15 Apr 2017 Location: South West Mich Points: 5396 |
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Doc, may I ask what is different about an aftermarket muffler? Just curios is all. Can an OEM be had from a dealer anymore ? Thanks
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Kansas99 ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 26 Feb 2015 Location: W Kansas Points: 4867 |
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Thanks Dr. I will check free play, I wasn't sure what it needed to be. I have a fair amount but not sure if it's 4 inches, I went till I knew the throw out was off plate but not a lot.
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IBWD MIke ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 08 Apr 2012 Location: Newton Ia. Points: 4017 |
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That's a great looking machine! 185's are one of my favorites.
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Lonn ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 16 Sep 2009 Location: Назарово,Russia Points: 29792 |
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Your 185 is a gem! Glad you got it going again.
I prefer the looks of that series of tractors with the racing stripes. I like the looks of my 200 too and am tickled to finally have a 200. I've wanted one since I was a little kid and playing with my cousin's toy 200 and me and my brother each got the hot rod pulling tractor 200 from the local dealer back in about 1975, I was 6 years old. My real 200 is a 1975 model without the racing stripe but it is still a pretty tractor. Next I want a 185 as nice as yours, would settle for a 180. I hope I didn't hijack your post.
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Kansas99 ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 26 Feb 2015 Location: W Kansas Points: 4867 |
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Thanks Lonn, I would agree I think that series is the best looking tractor without a cab Allis ever made.(although a 5020 is cute) Something about that long square hood. You could set them beside a JD, Case, IH, or any other of that era and the Allis IMO is easily the best looking one.
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DougG ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 20 Sep 2009 Location: Mo Points: 8282 |
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Good looking tractor for sure, see you put a Grammer seat on it - how do you like it ?
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Lonn ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 16 Sep 2009 Location: Назарово,Russia Points: 29792 |
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Oh BTW, and I'm not trying to criticize, but you should build a jack stand for that job. That blocking and bottle jack looks precarious. Wouldn't want a forum member to get hurt.
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