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racin69z 
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Posted: 27 Sep 2016 at 10:40pm |
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I am wanting to use my CA for a hayride. We are pulling down a flat gravel shoulder and then a blacktop road with one fair hill on it. I am wanting to pull my 16 ft flatbed trailer. I was going to hook up the trailer brakes on a pushbutton switch. I also thought shortening the drawbar by making one that is shorter would lessen the chance of the front end getting light. The front tires have 60# weight on each wheel. The rear tires are filled and have 130# weights on each side. The tractor weighs about 3300 pounds as it sits. What type of weight would you think I could safely tow?
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GregLawlerMinn
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Posted: 28 Sep 2016 at 8:31am |
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I have pulled a haywagon loaded with 3 large bales, approx. 800-1,000# ea or approx. 3,000 lbs.
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Posted: 28 Sep 2016 at 8:33am |
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16 ft flatbed car hauling trailer ?? I assume it has two 3500lb axles?? Your scenario wouldn't scare me a bit (but, I don't scare easily). You can balance the load by positioning people fore and aft. Twelve kids that weigh 150 lbs each is 1800 lbs cargo and the trailer weight would be similar, for 3600 lbs total. Blacktop would be better than gravel. Don't know the steep hill angle, but 4th gear might not work !!!
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Posted: 28 Sep 2016 at 8:42am |
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I have towed my 16' car trailer with 3000 lbs on it. That put the towed weight at about 5k. On my trailer that's bout 500 lbs tounge wieght. My Ca doesn't have front weight but I do have tha loader fittings on it the loader hasn't been on for many years.That was down a minamum maintance rode in 4 th idling. Speed was low so stoping wasn't a problem. My Ca has good brakes but the tires will just slide if trying to stop from high speeds.
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Stan R
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Posted: 28 Sep 2016 at 8:45am |
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Be careful. Jeep pulling a hay ride wagon event in Maine a few years ago got taken away by the trailer and there were injuries and a fatality and subsequent lawsuits. Just don't overload it.
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Posted: 28 Sep 2016 at 9:04am |
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Before I got a D-14 and D-15 I used my CA for everything job on the farm. This included baling hay which I pulled the baler and hayrack with 100-150 bales. The CA will pull your trailer just fine, but the brakes on the CA are the weak point. Stay in 3rd gear and if the trailer does start pushing the CA don't loose your head just apply the trailer brakes.
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Posted: 28 Sep 2016 at 10:15am |
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6v or 12v? If your trailer brakes are any good instantly applying 12v to them will not be a pleasant experience for the riders or driver.
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Posted: 28 Sep 2016 at 10:47am |
Load the trailer heavier than it will be for the hayride and make a dry run. Or call it a practice session and do it several times. Why put people on the trailer without being confident of the safety?
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Posted: 28 Sep 2016 at 10:52am |
 Jordan(OH) wrote:
6v or 12v? If your trailer brakes are any good instantly applying 12v to them will not be a pleasant experience for the riders or driver.
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Thanks! That's what I was thinking. New digital brakes!!!
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Posted: 28 Sep 2016 at 3:27pm |
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Get an oversized machine for that operation or at least do as DickL suggested.
JMHO, I would never go into a situation like that and be on the wondering side.
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Posted: 28 Sep 2016 at 3:41pm |
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As said, make sure you pick a low enough gear to climb the hill, also use a low enough gear going down the hill for the engine to be able to keep you from being pushed.
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Posted: 28 Sep 2016 at 4:56pm |
Stan R wrote:
Be careful. Jeep pulling a hay ride wagon event in Maine a few years ago got taken away by the trailer and there were injuries and a fatality and subsequent lawsuits. Just don't overload it. |
I can't think of a Jeep made since the old Wagoneer or Gladiator that I would use to tow anything.
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Posted: 28 Sep 2016 at 8:28pm |
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First thing I'd be doing is to check out my liability insurance.
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Posted: 29 Sep 2016 at 5:12am |
I used my D17 to haul people at an event. I placed a row of hay bales down the center of my 16' trailer and a strap long ways for people to hold on. Loaded with people I was glad on some of the hills that I did not have to stop or it would have been touchy. I did not have trailer brakes hooked up.
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Posted: 29 Sep 2016 at 5:16am |
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Posted: 29 Sep 2016 at 9:08am |
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I would be concerned any time the weight of the trailer gets close to the weight of the tractor. Can't tell you what to do but that would make me think twice.
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Posted: 29 Sep 2016 at 10:55am |
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Just watch how you load the trailer (balance people weight on the axles to avoid too much or too little tongue weight). I would say cruising along you should be fine on power pulling it the biggest short coming like you say will be brakes but if they are in good shape it will be do-able. Just take your time and plan your stops and you should be fine.
We once used my brother's Allis B to pull our big round bale wagon stacked double wide so the the wagon running gear plus 8 bales; probably around 9,000lbs. It made it bark and scratch for sure and you gave lots of slowing down room but they are very capable little tractors! Only went about 1/4 mile on a flat road but with your trailer you should be fine if you watch what you are doing. We regularly use our little tractors to move the loaded square bale wagons to and from the field and they are probably 4500 to 5000 lbs.
Edited by cpg - 29 Sep 2016 at 10:56am
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Posted: 30 Sep 2016 at 12:12pm |
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Thanks for the replies guys. The tracor brakes are brand new, and the trailer only has breaks on one axle. It really doesn't stop violently when I activate the manual lever on the brake controller on my truck. But the trailer brakes are going to be for a loss of control situation anyhow, so at that point I want full braking anyway. I was planning on loading my camaro on it and taking around the yard for a test. It weighs 3300#. Its the only thing I have that is close to the right weight. I can see the headlines now. "Idiot crashes tractor with 69 camaro in tow on trailer"
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Posted: 30 Sep 2016 at 3:08pm |
I hauled my 88 El Camino from the farm to Hamilton Lake Indiana which is about 20 miles with my Simplicity 9523 several times. (Same as Allis 5020) It is very hilly and I didn't hook up brakes to the trailer. No problem what so ever except for the time it took to go one way. I hauled the Cadillac a couple times also when my Son was using the El Camino. I was working on my back lots at our lake house over several years and would leave the tractor and loader there for a few day and then take it back when I needed it at the farm. I never gave it a thought.
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Posted: 30 Sep 2016 at 8:16pm |
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Reading this I can't help but think of a post from about a year ago. Someone had a wagon load of round bales behind a d14. Comming down a hill the trailer got ahead of him and pushed the tractor. It ended with the trailer actually pushing the tractor over upside down. The owner jumped off and was ok but seeing the pictures gave me a very healthy respect for a trailer behind a small tractor. If it was me I don't think i would use a ca for a hay ride.
There is one more thing to keep in mind. In this area there are laws that protect you from lawsuits if you use horses to pull the wagon the same isn't true with a tractor if someone falls off or gets hurt you will be liable. I have had people say I should do hay rides but I won't risk it myself.
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Posted: 04 Oct 2016 at 9:00pm |
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Well I hooked the trailer up behind the tractor and loaded the car on it. I didn't have any trouble at all. I got horsey with it and couldn't get it to pop a wheelie. It stopped easily. The trailet brakes worked ok. They locked up, but nice to know they are there.
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Posted: 14 Oct 2016 at 7:55pm |
Hey guys, I used the tractor on the hayride and everything went smooth. I never needed the trailer brakes. I tried them a time or two, with 20+ people on the trailer, they weren't too aggressive, but they did stop the trailer. I think all the ballast I added and the shorter drawbar off helped. We spent most of the time at the top of 3rd or the very bottom of fourth. My friend had a super H, and the gearing didn't jive well for me. I was either wound tight in 3rd or lugging in 4th.
Thanks for the advice and input.
Lynn
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