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    Posted: 23 Aug 2016 at 4:57am
What a steal! It would be worth that if it was ragged out and had 8,000 hours on it. Lets put this in perspective- the new Ford pickup I glanced at our show last week was $48,000. Is a new pickup a good investment? What will it be worth in 10 years? Someone made the right move buying this 6070.
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I thought that tractor would bring more. It is the same as new and at that price you could buy it and use it. Another post talks about three being less and less Allis people and I guess that price reflects that fact. But many of the other prices seemed very good maybe even on the high side but everything was top quality low hour so maybe they were all reasonable as they are only low hour machines once and it takes a lot of money to restore one right. Tom
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I have to respectfully disagree. It was on an open auction. Anybody could have bid and bought it. 46000 is its value. If you had put 25000 in an investment 25 years ago and cashed it out yesterday for 46000, your rate of return would be 2 percent compounded daily. You can get that money almost anywhere.
I do agree it sold light in my opinion, but not many would have the climate controlled facility to care for such a purchase either.
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Lets put this in perspective- the new Ford pickup I glanced at our show last week was $48,000. Is a new pickup a good investment? What will it be worth in 10 years?

Well if it was the LAST Ford pickup, in 10 years , you'd probably double your money or more. Gotta compare apples to apples. Now, I have no idea what that tractor 'should' have sold for( or it's actual condition) but for 46K I'd have to see 24KT gold plated 'provinence'( proof up the wazu) that it WAS the last one ever built !

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I wonder who the new owner is. 
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I'm afraid that the pool of people who have an interest in old Allis-Chalmers tractors and $50000 burning a hole in their pocket to spend on a 30 year old 70hp tractor they can't really use plus the cost to house this tractor properly is not really that large.
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You can get 2% compounded daily??? Why am I missing out??? I'm sure you misstated or I took your statement wrong. Compound .000054795% daily to get an annual rate of 2%.

$25,000 x .02 = $500 on the first day earned. 2% yearly interest rate is about $1.37 on the first day. I'm not sure what that works out to be over 25 years. 
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To me the last something or other built is a lot different from a rare low production item,
the only thing that makes the last one built different from all the rest is the serial number.I know that brings some premium but its exactly like all the others  built.It'd be neat to have but if I had $46,000 in hand to spend on neat tractors it wouldn't have been on that one.Think about all the tractors and equipment $46,000 could get how many would actually hand over the $$$$ for that tractor? Saying "someone" should have paid more
and forking over that amount of cash in hundred dollar bill$ is two totally different things.
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Sorry i didnt specify, 2 percent annual rate compounded daily works out to 45500 over 30 years.
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And what would it have been worth "IF" corn was in the $7 and $8 range again?  
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Originally posted by Unit3 Unit3 wrote:

And what would it have been worth "IF" corn was in the $7 and $8 range again?  

Depends on who bought it. I suppose if two or more corn farmers were really interested in it as a working machine it might have bought more. I doubt that was the case.
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So a 220 fwd is worth more than the last Allis ever built. Anyone that would use that 6070 as a working tractor is a fool. Needs to be in the Smithsonian.
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46,000 is only 5 acres of prime farmground around here. Fanetti probably paid around $22,500 for it when he bought it. Doubled his money in 30 years. Wasn't such a good investment after all.
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Originally posted by JayIN JayIN wrote:

46,000 is only 5 acres of prime farmground around here. Fanetti probably paid around $22,500 for it when he bought it. Doubled his money in 30 years. Wasn't such a good investment after all.


Really he didn't double his money as $46,000 today won't buy anymore than with
many things than $22,500 would  have bought 30 years ago but the good news is
at least he stayed even.Really boils down to how much it meant to him to have that tractor in his possession.If he'd of bought Gold with the 22K 30 years ago he could have cashed out now around 80K depending on exactly when he bought it.
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I am just a rail bird but that one did surprise me.  220FWA's  continue to amaze also.
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Originally posted by Lonn Lonn wrote:

You can get 2% compounded daily??? Why am I missing out??? I'm sure you misstated or I took your statement wrong. Compound .000054795% daily to get an annual rate of 2%.

$25,000 x .02 = $500 on the first day earned. 2% yearly interest rate is about $1.37 on the first day. I'm not sure what that works out to be over 25 years. 


Probably just means 2% annual interest, compounded daily, so you're both correct. You can make the compounding period from annually to daily to "continuously" where you use the exponential function, which between that and daily ends up being pennies a year for a given interest rate.
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Originally posted by JayIN JayIN wrote:

So a 220 fwd is worth more than the last Allis ever built. Anyone that would use that 6070 as a working tractor is a fool. Needs to be in the Smithsonian.


Smithsonian? Wow!
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I am sure I heard a story once that the last tractor off the line was an 8070 mfwd, and it was put in "storage". That's just a story, but I suspect if the last tractor off the line was a "purebred" Allis and one of the 8000 series or one of the 4w220 or 4w305, it would command A LOT more than a 70 hp half fiat tractor. JMHO, Trev.
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Well, I am just stirring the pot trying to get some discussion going. Ya just never know, do ya?
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Originally posted by Tbone95 Tbone95 wrote:

Originally posted by Lonn Lonn wrote:

You can get 2% compounded daily??? Why am I missing out??? I'm sure you misstated or I took your statement wrong. Compound .000054795% daily to get an annual rate of 2%.

$25,000 x .02 = $500 on the first day earned. 2% yearly interest rate is about $1.37 on the first day. I'm not sure what that works out to be over 25 years. 


Probably just means 2% annual interest, compounded daily, so you're both correct. You can make the compounding period from annually to daily to "continuously" where you use the exponential function, which between that and daily ends up being pennies a year for a given interest rate.
Yep I get what he meant. It just didn't ring right in my ear when I first read it. Is this still "interesting"? Pun intended.
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Argue one way or the other we are neither right or wrong. My opinion, if corn was still 7 or 8 dollars it would have brought more. I would have bid to own the last one. It was the only tractor in the collection you can't replace anywhere in the world. No where, nota, nothing. Its the only tractor that was the last made by a company that had made tractors for years. Anything else is people saying this or that. Like the 220fwa. There is no proof nor will there ever be proof, of how many were made, or exist. I would take the 6070 over the 220fwa for the same money. Its 1 of 1
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Now the 8070 that went to some Araib country[ prolly spelt wrong] now that would be worth some cash the second to the last off the line and it was all ALLIS CHALMERS.           I hope the 6070 ends up in a museum. Thirty + years ago we had 2- 220 Fwds who would of known.   Hind sight .
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Originally posted by ILGLEANER ILGLEANER wrote:

Argue one way or the other we are neither right or wrong. My opinion, if corn was still 7 or 8 dollars it would have brought more. I would have bid to own the last one. It was the only tractor in the collection you can't replace anywhere in the world. No where, nota, nothing. Its the only tractor that was the last made by a company that had made tractors for years. Anything else is people saying this or that. Like the 220fwa. There is no proof nor will there ever be proof, of how many were made, or exist. I would take the 6070 over the 220fwa for the same money. Its 1 of 1
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I agree with IG as well - the tractor was well bought.  Hopefully it goes to a home as good as the one it had.
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Glad I was able to see this 6070....even got to share the experience with my dad, brother and father-in-law. It is a one of a kind AC tractor.... I think for $46K, the new owner has to be a die-hard Allis-Chalmers enthusiast and will take care of it. 
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Originally posted by ILGLEANER ILGLEANER wrote:

Argue one way or the other we are neither right or wrong. My opinion, if corn was still 7 or 8 dollars it would have brought more. I would have bid to own the last one. It was the only tractor in the collection you can't replace anywhere in the world. No where, nota, nothing. Its the only tractor that was the last made by a company that had made tractors for years. Anything else is people saying this or that. Like the 220fwa. There is no proof nor will there ever be proof, of how many were made, or exist. I would take the 6070 over the 220fwa for the same money. Its 1 of 1
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I agree --- sort of. Owning the last one of all the AC's made would be a hoot. If I had a 220FWA, I could at least take it out and play with it on sunny days. If I owned the last AC made, it would have to stay indoors and be dusted weekly. I would even be to afraid of taking it to Hutchinson every summer. I couldn't even run an auger with it. 

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The last tractor off the line would be cool to have.If I wouldve hit the lottery before the sale I would have bought the entire lot and kept them together... probably would have used the 4w305 on the farm but left the others alone..a guy can dream can't he...course if I wouldve hit the lottery I would care that corn prices are in the toilet
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What would a new 70hp Deere cost today? If it was a 6080 and corn was $7-$8 bu it would have been tempting.   And gasp it would have gone to the field the day it came off the gooseneck.
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There is a post here that the seller has a court order allowing her to purchase any of the tractors sold for the selling price.  If she were smart, she will keep the 6070.  I still think AGCO should have bought it and proudly displayed it at the headquarters and maybe a show or two.  That's not gonna happen.

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