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cwhit 
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 Topic: Gleaner Guys. I got a problem.
Posted: 10 Oct 2024 at 8:23pm |
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2010 R66. Cutting beans. Turn on the end of field and see stubble smoking. Stop,stomp out fire and see smoldering bean dust on steer axle left side of machine. Hit that with fire extinguisher. Drive to house and hose off rear of machine. Check bearings and belts. All OK. Make several phone calls for advice. Double check all suggestions. Everything OK. Cut 120 more acres. Turn on end and see smoke. Here we go again. This time have to call fire department. Call dealership. Service guy checks everything. Thinks it’s the Electric clutch. Everything checks OK. Got 90 acres to go then to corn. I’m stumped. Anyone have any suggestions???? Other Gleaners in the area not having this issue.. Something is causing the debris on left rear of machine to burn. Debris fall off , fields on fire. Help…
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Steve in NJ
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Posted: 10 Oct 2024 at 8:47pm |
Chuck, you need the dang fire dept to foller ya around the fields! It'll give em' somthin' ta' do........... LOL!
Steve@B&B
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DrAllis
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Posted: 10 Oct 2024 at 9:32pm |
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There are three electric clutches on the left side of the machine. Two on the mainshaft for the separator and one behind the drive wheel for the header. Your tech as much as told you that's what he thought it was. I had an R-62 once that had one of the two separator clutches fail, so only one was doing the work instead of two. That could cause the one that is doing all the work to slip some and as dry as it has been cause slipping issues. You need to run in the dark and have someone ride on the ladder watching for SPARKS.
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JPG AUSTRALIA
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Posted: 10 Oct 2024 at 9:43pm |
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Chopper/impeller bearing gone, closest bearing over top near left rear axle and its not visible.
Edited by JPG AUSTRALIA - 10 Oct 2024 at 11:34pm
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cwhit
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Posted: 11 Oct 2024 at 6:26am |
Thanks for some answers guys.
Dr. My first (and still ) concern is that main drive electrical clutch. The reason I had the tech come out. Had him inspect and check tolerance . All good. Went ahead and changed out brush holder thinking low voltage could be causing slip. Ran machine till 8:00 last night with eyes on left side. Nothing noticeable. Still not convinced.
ALL bearings and belts OK.
Thanks Steve-o for the laugh. Maybe in your retirement age you should come out here and follow me around…. You can use the wife’s golf cart….
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ACFarmer
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Posted: 11 Oct 2024 at 7:21am |
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You dont have more than normal debris in the engine compartment do you?
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Ray54
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Posted: 11 Oct 2024 at 12:14pm |
I operated a combine for about 45 years, remembering 5 incidents that took place that action was needed to stop a fire. The only one that burned acreage was started on the knife cutting down grain.
One incident that was never explained. It was a MH, smoke smell in the cab. Get out check the machine smoke smell in the rear over the screens, no visible smoke. Had a far more experienced operator from the other machine in field look it over. His orders where pull up to the fence to the enjoining field of clean summer fallow. If it gets worse before I return with water run over the barbwire and put it in the fallow. The ranch we were custom cutting on happened to have 150 gallon sprayer mount on a tractor and came right out. Still smelled smoke but no source. Pull the top cover off the feeder house , started the separator and sprayed water in until no more smoke smell coming out the rear. This was the last bit of barley for the year.
I was hired operator, so not around after that until safflower was ready to cut 2 weeks later. But they took many things apart looking and never found the source.
The other real fire I have delt with was chaff on the Roosa Master injection pump with poor seals on the line weeping just enough to gather chaff all over pump. I should of just let that Deere to roast but I put it out.
The others were all bearing failures, charred chaff but no flame. But at high temps as are the normal in are harvest it was only a matter of luck.
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Dale-OH
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Posted: 11 Oct 2024 at 2:24pm |
2 Things we have seen other than what is mentioned above Main Engine Pulley will build up with dust/debris and somehow start to smolder, falls down on rear axle when it comes loose Main Drive Belt Idler have seen it get worn/out of adjustment and under load can hit accelerator gears causing spark
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Acguywill
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Posted: 11 Oct 2024 at 2:50pm |
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If you are cutting really low it is possible that you picked up a small rock or piece of gravel and that it sparked going through the chopper. Have had smoldering debris on the exhaust manifold of the old N5 and R7 several times so that could also be a possibility. We had a similar situation in peas this year with the S98. Fire started on top of the left side axle and got hot enough to get line coming from the auto greaser to catch fire. As it was burning it dropped some flaming grease about every 100 feet for almost half a mile. With the dust coming out of the back of the combine I never even saw it until I got to the end and turned around. Had about 20 smoldering spots in the field and about a 15mph wind blowing towards the unharvested portion of the field. Not a good situation but only burned a few hundred square feet. Had the tractor and disc just across the road. Couldn't find the cause but there was a rock in the trap with a chunk broken off of it that had to have gone thru the combine.
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cwhit
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Posted: 11 Oct 2024 at 9:48pm |
Well, ran all day,had a small fuel problem but no fires. Stopped after every load and cleaned debris off rear axle. Still not sure but checking all ideas you guys are giving me.
Dale, Thanks for talking with me on the phone. Tighten main drive belt from the engine to clutch.Was bouncing a little more than it should . That tension idler is in a really tight area.If bouncing too much could have been the issue. Sits right above problem area. With engine fan blowing any spark could fall there. Will keep watching this closely.
Big Thanks to all. Appreciate and checking out all responses……
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soggybottomboy
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Posted: 13 Oct 2024 at 9:34pm |
Well, I am late to this conversation, but we had the same thing happen on our Gleaner several years ago. Fire in the engine compartment and on the trash that had accumulated on the left rear axle housing. There were several spots of burning soybean stubble behind me, and they were very hard to put out. Turned out that there was a seeping leak on something that was near the exhaust manifold, and it collected a tiny bit of bean dust. We think that the air from the radiator fan blew the fire to the left side of the machine. dealer put on a factory guard that insulated the manifold and something was done to stop the very small leak. It hasn't happened again.
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