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Lonn ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 16 Sep 2009 Location: Назарово,Russia Points: 29805 |
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My new to me R52 was making a loud ticking and I stopped for the night and backed into the shop, not knowing exactly what I was looking for. At first I thought it was the chopper but I climbed all over the machine looking for a bearing or bent auger or something. Took panels off and then thought I'd sleep on it. Next day I saw immediately a broken a tooth on one of the accelerator rolls. Left side rear roll. The front gear looked new while the rear broken gear looked very worn. Thinking they should have replaced the pair. Easy enough to replace so I did that, just the one gear because the front gear looked undamaged. One gear was $186 though! I looked at the right side and those gears looked fine. I only had about 15 acres to go and then done for the season. Did that and backed into shop. Couple days ago took another look at the right side and this time I felt the gears. Found, though they look fine, the front gear on left side is loose on the shaft. The nut is tight. What's going on? I read, I think on the Combine Forum, that someone replaced those gears on the right side with pulleys and a belt. They apparently drive the distribution auger. From what I read, replacing the gears on the right with a belt and pulleys, the problems with breaking teeth on the gears on the left side goes away. Does this sound like a good idea? A side note on safety and working long hours. When I was taking panels off, I took the two panels under the engine hood that exposes the chopper. I put one back on that night but left the rear panel off. The next day when I was running the machine, trying to find where the ticking was coming from, I was feeling parts of the combine with my hands to try to detect the problem. When I got up in the engine compartment, it's kinda dark, the panels are black and bolted to a black wall. Feeling for the ticking I had forgotten that I hadn't replaced that rear panel exposing the chopper. Guess where my hand went? No, It didn't go out the rear of the combine..... luckily! But I had put my hand where I thought a panel was and a chopper knife hit my finger. I pulled back and had to look twice, expecting the worst but the knife and just ticked my pointer finger nail. Hurt and later turned part of the nail black. That was it! It was a good lesson on slowing down and thinking before doing. Whew! Though I could have had one of those cool captain hook ............. umm........hooks.
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Amos ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Ontario Points: 1318 |
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Not had trouble with teeth breaking on my 52 but I have had bearings go on the drive belt pulley on the right hand side. Maybe make sure your rolls are timed exactly right? just a thought
Check the plate on the right hand side under the bearings to see if it is cracked, I have had it crack on mine, and seen it cracked on others
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Lonn ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 16 Sep 2009 Location: Назарово,Russia Points: 29805 |
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I will check for cracks. I did time the lug rolls as per the manual but I have no idea if they were timed right before the breakage. Thanks
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Lonn ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 16 Sep 2009 Location: Назарово,Russia Points: 29805 |
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I did though, find cracks that had been welded up near the tensioner for the main drive belt coming from the engine. Near where the rubber damper is. Is that common? Should I consider beefing that area up?
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Amos ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Ontario Points: 1318 |
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I welded a crack there on mine then put a plate over it. Not sure if it is common though
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Lonn ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 16 Sep 2009 Location: Назарово,Russia Points: 29805 |
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OK, so in between doing other things I took a quick glance and the loose gear is the idler gear. I assume a loose bearing but did not investigate further because I'm busy with work and play (field work
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cwhit ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Sigel IL Points: 995 |
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Make sure you didn’t, shear a key on one of the gears. Been there. Had a tooth break, replaced gear, timed rolls, run machine, gear comes loose, out of time. Repeated process several times and finally found the bad key.
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Lonn ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 16 Sep 2009 Location: Назарово,Russia Points: 29805 |
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Thanks, I will check when I get time
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Lonn ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 16 Sep 2009 Location: Назарово,Russia Points: 29805 |
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I see on farmchat.com that a feller called grinder is the one who changed the right hand gears over to a belt and pulleys. Would the be grinder220 here on the forum?
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DrAllis ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Points: 21866 |
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The two gears on the LEFT side of the combine are the accelerator roll drive gears and have a lot of torque demanded of them. They actually drive the gears on the RIGHT side of the machine. These two gears have had at least three width changes over the years. I think the original gears were 3/4" wide. Then, they went to an inch wide for more strength and reliability. I think there has been another wider gear since then. The older 3/4" gears required replacement from time to time just for wear on the teeth. Newer/wider gears are much better and I always used them instead of the 3/4" gears. The RIGHT side gears only drive the distribution auger/s, of which there is only one auger on a 42/52/55. I can't imagine ever wanting to redesign that design. I've never had a single failure on the RIGHT side of the machine due to the gear design drive itself. If you have loose hardware or a bad bearing or something not right, that could cause gear failure, but not the gears themselves.
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Lonn ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 16 Sep 2009 Location: Назарово,Russia Points: 29805 |
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OK, I think I have the 1" gears already. BTW the guy on the other forum claimed that the right hand gears caused too much chatter or something and that after going to a belt drive he never broke a gear on the left side again. It is an old thread though going back to 2009. Edited by Lonn - 09 Nov 2018 at 10:56am |
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DrAllis ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Points: 21866 |
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I believe the clatter was adjustable by siding the large gear in our out to control backlash of the gears. Going to a belt drive on the right side wouldn't have reduced the load on his left side gears, because they still were driving the belt drive !! What he might not be telling you is he went to the wider gears on the left when he went to a quieter? belt drive ?? Before the right side gears, they used a #50 chain, which required some upkeep. The gears were a step forward from a chain drive.
Edited by DrAllis - 09 Nov 2018 at 11:56am |
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