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JosephD17III
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Joined: 16 Oct 2025 Location: Neosho, MO Points: 16 |
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Posted: 07 Jan 2026 at 8:24pm |
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I will continue the restoration, water damage is limited, i will work more on it tomorrow but it looks like this tractor ran just a few years ago, if it didn't have water damage or i had drained it sooner it would've been great but you live and learn. Number 1 5 and 6 have a little rust, number 2 is great and number 3 and 4 had alot of water and when it got cold in December it blew the sleeves, the pistons look great though lol. I'll need new valves and rods, the bottom of the rods were rusted bad,ideas on what needs repairs regarding that? Overall looks great crosshatching is chill prominent. No cracks, I've put stuff in the cylinders to break them loose.
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JosephD17III
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Posted: 07 Jan 2026 at 8:25pm |
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I'm going to tear it down some more, more then likely fully and I'm gonna clean the block out and the head. Any ideas on that? I was thinking electrolysis??
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steve(ill)
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Posted: 07 Jan 2026 at 8:59pm |
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electrolysis is great if you got the room / tank.. I have done that on smaller parts.. For larger cases ( blocks / trans / final drives) i spray them with oven cleaner, let it set 30 minutes and then high pressure water wash..
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Like them all, but love the "B"s.
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HudCo
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Posted: 07 Jan 2026 at 10:06pm |
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you had better magna flux that head with every thing re moved , we just sawed a bad 262d cylinder head up with the band saw at the machine shop to see what the inside of the casting and what the water jacket looks like. and see what mine and the other guys can get away with , my machine shop is doing one for some one for else also. their will have to be welded and pinned. i was just at the machine shop this morning and forgot to take pictures the cylinder head cross sections. if their is any crack under the valve seats its done for
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Sugarmaker
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Joined: 12 Jul 2013 Location: Albion PA Points: 8639 |
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Posted: 14 hours 19 minutes ago at 10:48am |
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Joey,
These Allis experts are trying to save you time and money on this D17 Diesel tractor. Story : I had the idea I would like a Allis WD45 Diesel at one time about 10 years ago. I became friends with a member of this forum Don Bradley (rest his soul) He talked me down off the ledge several times about the Allis diesels. Back then he said you better have $5000 extra in your wallet to get a diesel engine correctly rebuilt. Now the price is double that! Not really surprising parts are hard to get! Experts on these are hard to find. Not trying to stop you on this project. But my guess is you may not be able to get your money back on this D17 diesel tractor. I just completed a little Allis CA. I bought it for $800 and probably put $4000 into it to have a light weight pulling tractor for fun. Regards, Chris and Cheryl Edited by Sugarmaker - 14 hours 18 minutes ago at 10:49am |
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D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet.
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JosephD17III
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Posted: 13 hours 59 minutes ago at 11:08am |
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That would work too, thanks for the idea!
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JosephD17III
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Posted: 13 hours 54 minutes ago at 11:13am |
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Honestly I accepted it will be alot of money, I just want a orange and white tractor. I will magna flex the head and block to check it.
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WF owner
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Posted: 11 hours 56 minutes ago at 1:11pm |
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There are a lot of orange tractors that will cost a ton less and be much more dependable.
The biggest problem with the Buda diesels was if you didn't have someone that knew what they were doing do the overhaul, you could spend a ton of money and have serious problems after the overhaul was done. This is not an engine to learn on!!!
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55allis
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Posted: 11 hours 27 minutes ago at 1:40pm |
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Jensales has a kit for a d262t, which would be for a d19 with turbo.
https://www.jensales.com/products/ep-915121-allis-buda-out-of-frame-overhaul-kit-buda-d262t.html If you look at the 8.25-1 kit for a gas d17 is $2500.. |
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1955 AC WD45 diesel with D262 repower, 1949 AC WD, 1963 A-C D17 series 3
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HudCo
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Posted: 8 hours 57 minutes ago at 4:10pm |
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turbo piston are differant compression ratio if i am correct it is less so it would make it a pig
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JosephD17III
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Posted: 5 hours 21 minutes ago at 7:46pm |
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I don't know, I'd hate for the first tractor I bought to just be parts, the motor looks good but I'll take your guys experience over my excitement. I'll play with it some more, since it'll be fun. Plus I was going to do a full teardown anyway to clean it. is there a different motor that could be put in? What would the process be to put a d19 gasser in? Anyone got pics and stuff for that? I'd be fine with rebuilding a gas motor, also have another question. Why is the diesel 262 bad and gas 262 good?
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RedHeeler79
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Posted: 4 hours 32 minutes ago at 8:35pm |
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It seems as though the gas 262 engine had a more reliable reputation. The relatively lower cylinder pressure (during the combustion event) of the gas engine vs the diesel engine, evidently has much less impact on the fire rings(which seal the uppermost diameter of the cylinder sleeve flange to the cylinder head, respective to the head gasket that “contains” them). The general theory is that the fire rings, of the factory gasket on the diesel engine, were made of soft enough material that they eventually gave way to the compression (cylinder pressure) and the cylinder sleeves were allowed to move up and down in their bores,in the engine block, enough to wear down the already inadequately small outside diameter ledge -think “jack-hammering”, that located them in the block deck at the correct height for adequate head gasket(fire ring) sealing. After prolonged operation, they would bounce up and down enough to wear out the ledge and “sink” into the block. This causes the infamous head gasket issues, and the major repairs required to actually fix the root cause of said head gasket failures, when overhauling the diesel 262. Sleeves need to have a standout (protrusion) of at least .002”, preferably .004” above the block deck. This is why several people have suggested that the machine work and resulting expense to correctly repair the block is extremely common and important. (Not to mention cylinder head cracking issues). Aftermarket fire rings of a harder material have been used, but it’s not widely known what the specific material or dimensions of these rings were made of. A former member of this forum, who manufactured and advocated for these improved fire rings, has passed away. So, the exact specifications of them may be lost. The gas 262 does not seem to suffer from this problem, regardless of hours on the engine. But, they also don’t seem to be easy to find overhaul parts for either.
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AC720Man
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Joined: 10 Oct 2016 Location: Shenandoah, Va Points: 5349 |
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Posted: 3 hours 49 minutes ago at 9:18pm |
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That was an excellent explanation of its flaw. I have one, love farming with it, love the Buda sound out of the exhaust, love the fuel economy, good power, but I dread the day when I go down that road that your on….I may not be able to save it. A common problem folks didn’t do was let them warm up before working them and letting them cool down after they worked them. It’s really a shame the D17 didn’t get a 301 stuffed into it. What a monster that would have been!
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