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65 190XT Gasoline throttle issue

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    Posted: 01 Dec 2024 at 11:17am
Hi all. I am having an issue with my throttle on my 190xt gas. I parked it it in the shed last weekend and all was fine. I went to use it yesterday and the throttle is frozen in the idle position. I cannot move the lever. Any ideas before I rip the dang thing apart?. I can't believe the cable froze up in a week. But, who knows. Thanks in advance.
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The 60 year old throttle cable isn't sealed up tight on one end or the other, moisture has gotten inside of it and frozen. If it warms up it will work again if you don't break it in the mean time.
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I think with the cold weather it is actually frozen. Start the tractor and let it idle to get some heat. You could use a heat gun. Or put it in a heated shop. You need to work some of your favorite lube down the cable to displace the water. A little ice can hold very tight.
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As per the previous replies, bet money it's literally frozen.  Used to battle this with my motorcycle throttle cable too, never could get enough oil or grease down the damned thing to keep the moisture out. Had to let it idle for 10-15 minutes some days before it'd move  (glad it never froze open while riding, that would've been "fun")

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My experience has been, once a cable has enough moisture in it to freeze, there is no saving it; it needs to be replaced. 
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BINGO !!!   or move to a place it never freezes.
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Once upon a time I had a Lear 31A which loved to freeze the left engine throttle cable after an hour and a half or so at 45000 feet and above. Normal temps aloft at those altitudes are minus 50 to minus 65* and yes I’ve seen colder temps than those normal ones. As the above replies say in order to thaw you need to warm the machine up. Sounds simple enough but a few times I was descending and landing into zero or sub zero temps. It was quite the nightmare until maintenance finally replaced the darn thing. Every time they dried and lubed it she’d freeze again next flight until it was replaced for huge money. The Big issue every time was starting my descent with cruise power on that left engine from such altitudes.   A Lear 31A is probably the sleekest least drag jet ever built. When the pitch lowers from cruise to descent attitude the speed increases dramatically. But the rest of the story to a landing is for another day. In short if it were my cable I’d replace it. 👨‍✈️😁
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Originally posted by captaindana captaindana wrote:

Once upon a time I had a Lear 31A which loved to freeze the left engine throttle cable after an hour and a half or so at 45000 feet and above. Normal temps aloft at those altitudes are minus 50 to minus 65* and yes I’ve seen colder temps than those normal ones. As the above replies say in order to thaw you need to warm the machine up. Sounds simple enough but a few times I was descending and landing into zero or sub zero temps. It was quite the nightmare until maintenance finally replaced the darn thing. Every time they dried and lubed it she’d freeze again next flight until it was replaced for huge money. The Big issue every time was starting my descent with cruise power on that left engine from such altitudes.   A Lear 31A is probably the sleekest least drag jet ever built. When the pitch lowers from cruise to descent attitude the speed increases dramatically. But the rest of the story to a landing is for another day. In short if it were my cable I’d replace it. 👨‍✈️😁


Landing at mach I makes the runway kind of short?????
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Went through this with my 720, very frustrating as it's main job is snow removal. A new cable solved the problem, wasn't too expensive or hard to change. A 190, or Lear jet, might be more difficult.
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Originally posted by darrel in ND darrel in ND wrote:

Originally posted by captaindana captaindana wrote:

Once upon a time I had a Lear 31A which loved to freeze the left engine throttle cable after an hour and a half or so at 45000 feet and above. Normal temps aloft at those altitudes are minus 50 to minus 65* and yes I’ve seen colder temps than those normal ones. As the above replies say in order to thaw you need to warm the machine up. Sounds simple enough but a few times I was descending and landing into zero or sub zero temps. It was quite the nightmare until maintenance finally replaced the darn thing. Every time they dried and lubed it she’d freeze again next flight until it was replaced for huge money. The Big issue every time was starting my descent with cruise power on that left engine from such altitudes.   A Lear 31A is probably the sleekest least drag jet ever built. When the pitch lowers from cruise to descent attitude the speed increases dramatically. But the rest of the story to a landing is for another day. In short if it were my cable I’d replace it. 👨‍✈️😁


Landing at mach I makes the runway kind of short?????
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Originally posted by captaindana captaindana wrote:

Once upon a time I had a Lear 31A which loved to freeze the left engine throttle cable after an hour and a half or so at 45000 feet and above. Normal temps aloft at those altitudes are minus 50 to minus 65* and yes I’ve seen colder temps than those normal ones. As the above replies say in order to thaw you need to warm the machine up. Sounds simple enough but a few times I was descending and landing into zero or sub zero temps. It was quite the nightmare until maintenance finally replaced the darn thing. Every time they dried and lubed it she’d freeze again next flight until it was replaced for huge money. The Big issue every time was starting my descent with cruise power on that left engine from such altitudes.   A Lear 31A is probably the sleekest least drag jet ever built. When the pitch lowers from cruise to descent attitude the speed increases dramatically. But the rest of the story to a landing is for another day. In short if it were my cable I’d replace it. 👨‍✈️😁

Yeeeesh! rather you than me sir! I did eventually replace the cable on the bike too, only after it snapped though...
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AGCO has new throttle cables.  That's where I got the one for my 190.
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ethylene glycol anti freeze worked into cables can work pretty well stays there decent. Used it on pto cables on feed trucks. I've not seen one on a 190xt gas but if it can be routed to run down hill all the way it helps too. 
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