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Ed in TX
Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Beaumont, Texas Points: 400 |
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The orange paint on my 38 B is flaking and there's yellow underneath. I noticed it when I brought it home and I assumed it had been repainted a few times in it's life. I've started working on it and it looks like it the yellow was the 1st coat. Did they paint any yellow from the factory? It's not a bright yellow, more like road equipment yellow. |
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JoeO(CMO)
Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Cent Missouri Points: 2694 |
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steve(ill)
Orange Level Access Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: illinois Points: 78005 |
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yep, primer.. full of lead, and TOUGH stuff. THe PO1 will come off, but the yellow is tight !
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Like them all, but love the "B"s.
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Hartland Farm
Silver Level Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Location: Tennessee Points: 86 |
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I have a 1945 C that was bought new by the Weakley Co. TN highway department in 1945. The man I got it from said that he painted it orange but when he first got it it was school bus yellow. When I started taking the orange off sure enough one heavy coat of yellow. The yellow had run down in between the parts and was the first coat. I have heard this discussed before and many say that AC never painted any C's yellow from the factory. But that being said. If this tractor was orange from the factory it was completely taken apart, the orange stripped off, put back together and painted yellow. I don't think that happened. Or the tractor was primered at the factory in yellow and the highway department used it that way. Or it came from the factory in yellow. Joe
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Orange Blood
Orange Level Joined: 29 Nov 2010 Location: ColoradoSprings Points: 4053 |
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The C we just brought home this summer, is all yellow as well, not a spec of orange on it, I was thinking Highway department as well, it is an early model, with the hand brakes.
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Chalmersbob
Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Pennsylvania Points: 2122 |
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There wasn't any primer used on the tractors with the old lead paint. I'vce sanded and stripped 6 tractors from 39 to 57 and none of them had primer under the paint. One of the advantages of using paint with lead in it. If it is yellow, it was a raod dept tractor.
Bob
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Charlie175
Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Shenandoah, VA Points: 6351 |
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When I stripped my '48 B it was yellow on the bottom layer and I got it from the original owner.
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Charlie
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Ken in Texas
Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Henderson, TX Points: 5919 |
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I have never seen anything next to the metal on any B or C or CA that I have parted out except extreamly faded and discolored PO1 or rust. I would like to here what Ed in NY who has parted out hundreds of Bs and Cs as to say. He should recall if he ever saw anything resembling yellow primer next to the metal. I just do not buy the yellow primer first coat theory. AC did not prime tractors. They painted them assembled with a LEAD based paint that was a metal primer and finish in one coat in a shade of AC Orange known as PO#1. This goes for the cast parts, the forged parts, the nuts and bolts and washers, and the sheetmetal. What happend paint wise after they left the factory paint department is no tellin what.
I do believe the few Bs sold to the US war department were painted OD Green at the factory. Could be some tractors ordered by city and state governments were painted with something other than PO#1 at the factory.
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dustinmo
Orange Level Access Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Auxvasse, MO Points: 2183 |
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Ive got a parts CA and it is yellow as the first coat , as far as I knew allis didnt start with the yellow primer until the D series , But this is just what I have seen in person,
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Bill Long
Orange Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Bel Air, MD Points: 4556 |
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As an option on the IB's you could pay extra to get them painted any color (within reason) you wanted. A lot were sold to Counties and States for mowing on the roads and they wanted them painted their colors.
In fact, I saw a bunch of IB's at the Goto In Westminster, MD 1999 and several were painted other colors.
I would imagine on a special order you could get them painted a different color.
Good Luck!
Bill Long
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190xt
Silver Level Joined: 12 Jul 2011 Location: minnesota Points: 97 |
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I have 48 B ground all the paint of yellow under neath it was my grandfathers tractor he bought new
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DonDittmar
Orange Level Joined: 15 Sep 2009 Location: MIllersburg, MI Points: 2476 |
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The yellow is most likely primer. With that said, AC was like any other tractor manuafacturer......but enough tractors and the factory would have made em any color....... |
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JimD
Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Mounds, OK Points: 2098 |
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Haven't done "hundreds", but I've got about 30 or so in back, and about 20 more that have already been picked and disposed of, and none had yellow underneath.
JimD
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190xt
Silver Level Joined: 12 Jul 2011 Location: minnesota Points: 97 |
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could it be from the paint just being so old or from sitting outside in the sun
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DonDittmar
Orange Level Joined: 15 Sep 2009 Location: MIllersburg, MI Points: 2476 |
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I just tore the front off of my D15D and the steering support had yellow under it
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Experience is a fancy name for past mistakes. "Great moments are born from great opportunity"
1968 D15D,1962 D19D Also 1965 Cub Loboy and 1958 JD 720 Diesel Pony Start |
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Murph-NC
Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Western NC Points: 797 |
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I guess it's possible that batches were painted yellow for a large buyer, and then the order was cancelled before delivery, so they sent them back through the line for a coat of orange.
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AC WD45
Orange Level Joined: 28 Sep 2009 Location: Mid Michigan Points: 1993 |
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AC started priming when the D series came out
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Todd AL
Bronze Level Access Joined: 13 Dec 2009 Location: Alabama Points: 177 |
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Yup, most likely scenario.
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Ken in Texas
Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Henderson, TX Points: 5919 |
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When you got ONE tractor and you sand thru the layers of paint and find yellow next to the metal you think it must be primer and that they are all that way. That makes sense.
When you have 40 tractors and you sand thru the layers of paint and find only orange all the way down to the metal on all of them you think they are all that way and that no primer was used. That makes 40 times more sense.
With all the paints available today and the many ways you may want to repaint your tractor, who really gives a hoot how Allis painted them back in the 30s 40s and 50s.
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Chalmersbob
Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Pennsylvania Points: 2122 |
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I bought a CA that was yellow with no orange underneath. It belonged to a local highway dept. I'm also working on a D14 today and didn't find any yellow under the orange, Maybe they started using yellow primer when they started to use the PO#2. Bob
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junkman
Orange Level Joined: 02 Mar 2011 Location: Nevada, MO Points: 355 |
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First tractor I drove was a early b with belly mower. all painted yellow. came from the highway dept.
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