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Wisconsin engine on an All Crop? |
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den/southern illinoi ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Sparta, Illinoi Points: 2058 |
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Had a guy offer me a Wisconsin engine today that he says his dad took off an Allis Chalmers pull type combine. Says its just the engine, 4 cylinder, rope start, no tranny or clutch set up on it...just an engine. He was wondering if anyone was interested in he engine. I did not know that they put Wisconsin engines on the all crops and is there any interest in the engine....he said that its been a while since it has run and did not know what it was worth. Den
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Rfdeere ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Idaville, IN Points: 3283 |
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Allis Chalmers never put a Wisconsin on a All Crop. Now what the farmer did back in the day, who knows ?
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Randy Freshour,Member Indiana AC Partners,
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Bill_MN ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Sioux Falls, SD Points: 1466 |
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my grandpa had a 66 with PTO drive which he converted to a Wisconsin engine. they must have been popular engines back in the day, definitely not factory though
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Dean/MN ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: Oak Grove, MN Points: 740 |
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We had a Case A6 with a Wisconsin motor on it. They also used 4 cyl Wisconsin motors on Case trenchers like the 30+4 and 40+4 so may be able to sell it for one of those.
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Clay ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Udall, Kansas Points: 9687 |
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We had an old All Crop with a Model B Ford engine.
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Herb(GA) ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 15 Sep 2009 Location: United States Points: 1039 |
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Before automatic tiers came along, spent many a day(tying or blocking) on a wire tie Case or IH baler. That Wisconsin baler motor governor would open up with every stock of the plunger. We started the engine by one hand and one foot on the cast spokes of the 5' diameter baler flywheel. I imagine they had a crank for it, but it was not visible.
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Lonn ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 16 Sep 2009 Location: Назарово,Russia Points: 29792 |
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Some P80 Gleaners had a Wiscinsin engine and most of them were built about the time Allis bought Gleaner and they have Allis-Chalmers decals.
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Gerald J. ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Hamilton Co, IA Points: 5636 |
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The V-4 Wisconsin engine was an option on many brands of balers and other self powered implements like pull behind combines. Throughout the late 40s and through the 50s Wisconsin was unique for air cooled engines in using a Fairbanks-Morse external magneto with impulse start that made for better starting. The impulse start meant it didn't have to be spun to start, just roll it through a cycle to fill a cylinder with a combustible mixture and roll it through ignition and it was often running. The V-4 was liked by many and hated by many, probably because they didn't keep the magneto working well.
Wisconsin was happy to rebadge for sellers, my dad bought a one cylinder from Montgomery Ward in 1950 and built a garden tractor around it. It's tag says "Wards/Wisconsin" but has a standard Wisconsin engine model on it. Wisconsin, like Allis, was careful to use the same parts on different products when possible, many a V-4 shared pistons and rods with single cylinder products. Gerald J. |
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Brian Jasper co. Ia ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Prairie City Ia Points: 10508 |
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Kinda depends on which engine it is to be worth much. V465 is the easiest to identify, it's the only overhead valve V4 they built. A VE4 or VF4 are only 20 and 25hp and not really worth much. Like Gerald says, Wisconsin was pretty good about interchangeability of internal parts. A TE twin is half of a VE4. Cylinders, pistons, rods, valves are the same. Same for the TF vs VF4. The connecting rods are the same for the AB series, AK series, ACN, and BKN. AK, ACN, BKN all use the same valves. Having a D on the end of the model denotes Stellite exhaust valve.Edited by Brian Jasper co. Ia - 21 Sep 2011 at 9:46am |
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427435 ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 18 Nov 2010 Location: SE Minnesota Points: 18637 |
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Those engines were used on a lot of balers including New Holland. One thing you learned was to never shut them off once running unless there would be a 1/2 hour break or more--------they were next to impossible to start when hot.
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Mark
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TedBuiskerN.IL. ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Davis, IL. Points: 1959 |
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John Deere used an exclusive model of Wisconsin V-4 on one of their early flywheel style choppers. It had a longer stroke. taller jugs, and was rated around 50 HP. My brother-in-law (at the time) had one, but it was stuck, and he never got it freed up.
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JoeO(CMO) ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Cent Missouri Points: 2694 |
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Wisconsin engines were available with gear reductions, clutches, etc., like any other power unit. I even pu one on an old Chevy Panel truck frame, and it was geared 2:1, just like low side on a 4 wheel drive. It was our Ford/Ferguson around the farm, you know, gofor ____
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Matt MN ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: Silver lake MN Points: 1491 |
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I just noticed that on page 299 of Norm Swinfords farm equipment book that a Wisconsin engine was an option on the 302 and 303 balers.
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norm[ind] ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 29 Oct 2010 Location: bourbon,ind Points: 2992 |
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I HAVE PICS OF WISC. V-4,S ON AC COMBINES CASE CORN PICKERS ETC. WAS ALL INSTALLED BY A LOCAL CASE DEALERSHIP PAPEC CHOPPERS ALL WERE USED BY THE AMISH TO MY KNOWLEDGE
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Bill Long ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Bel Air, MD Points: 4556 |
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When we were selling in the 50's and late 40's the Wisconsin engine was very popular with New Holland. It was also used on many other machines. Seemed like we were always running into Wisconsin engines.
They seemed to work well. However, since I did not sell or use them I cannot tell you much about them. Good luck! Bill Long |
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norm[ind] ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 29 Oct 2010 Location: bourbon,ind Points: 2992 |
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THE SECRET WHEN WE WERE USING THEM WAS SHUT THEM OFF BY FLOODING THEM WITH A MIXTURE OF HALF$ HALF OF GAS AND OIL HELPED THE VAVES FROM STICKING AND IMPROVED STARTING WAS A RITUAL WHEN SHUTTING THE ENGINE DOWN IN THE 40,S
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rulzar ![]() Bronze Level ![]() Joined: 30 Sep 2011 Location: United States Points: 1 |
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That I would like to see..any pictures:)
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