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Wife wanting to go to Chester IL

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    Posted: 21 Oct 2022 at 12:35pm
So can walk across River Bottom.

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The drought’s early autumn expansion in the central US has had a significant impact on the Mississippi River. In Memphis, the river was at its lowest level since 2012 this week and its third-lowest on record. The forecast calls for it to decline further, to the second-lowest level on record.

This weekend, the river gauge at Osceola, Arkansas, set a record low measurement, breaking the previous record set in July 1988, and forecasts indicate the river will further drop this week. Two other nearby gauges also set all-time record lows.



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I think you'll see FL. sink into the Ocean first!  Those folks have so much water everywhere they don't know what to do.  A few people have to get a yacht off their front porch or out of their front yards!
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Drove down Hi 61 from here to La Crosse WI last week and lot of the backwater areas are just visible with no water in them . Areas where river use to reack the banks along RR right of way are now just muddy areas . 
  So much for piping water out to Colorado River  basin so Calif can have water to water their lawns . Seems the Western states said we has to much water here and they should be able to tap the river or draw down the great lakes as they deserve all the water they can steal .
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Was just out on Lake Onalaska and have never seen the water so clear. I think maybe they are holding back the water so now the silt is settling out more. The lake is by Lacrosse and part of the Mississippi river system. The whole area around by us is changing from year to year. Never know from year to year where you can run your boat in the backwaters. Most of us now run mudmotors. The water here is really at about the depth is usually is at this time of year. But we have the dam system to help regulate the water. 
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so.....
WHAT did 'man' do back in July '88  to drain the mighty Mississippi so low...??

HOW does the low water affect the barges getting goods up and down the river ??
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Mississippi has run dry before '88, has also Frozen Over quite often where Ice was harvested and stored in Ice Houses along the river for Cooler facilities of Meat and Perishables.

These are only the Recorded Low Levels after river levels were 'Gaged'.


Since the 1930s the rivers of the Midwest have been Channelized and Levied or Impounded to make them flow where MAN wants them.  Levies do not work forever, impounding only works until doesn't, diverter dams (Wing Dams) and channel Dredging can only help to a degree where northern rains are not falling in a weather shift.  Is NOT and NOT EVER BEEN Climate Change as Weather is NOT a Constant but a consistently changing apparition of Natural events in a moving target picture.  

The Anasazi of the US SW died out due to Drought, NOT MAN MADE, weather shifts occur and will continue to change, so sit back enjoy the quiet weather as that too will relent into powerful storms yet again, and the mighty rivers will flood, yet again.


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I graduated from Chester High School.  Smile
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Wife has recanted, report from my brother at Jackson is parking limited along county road with a 2-300feet transit after road ends alongside UP RR track (rough terrain) to the rock. Generally a two to three mile hike, One Direction!!
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Would think this will put alot of pressure to move grain by rail - Farmer Dave was talking that a barge moves 970 semi loads of grain , thats a bunch ! 
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A Rail car can handle around Four Semi Loads, 110,000# worth.  We were putting 50 truck loads of Clay into a single barge here on the Missouri when water is up, Suspect closer to 60-80 on MS River Grain barges.  So Two barges 120- 160 truck loads, 30-40 rail cars. Can see a "Tow" of barges hauling 970 truckloads.  Sat at Consolidated Grain and Barge (CG&B) at Cahokia unloading directly to boat feed conveyors, stalled the line as had to change barges so 60-80 per hull is likely correct.

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Tows on the Upper Mississippi (everything upstream of the Ohio) can TECHNICALLY run 17 barges per tow (that's 3 wide, 5 long in FRONT of the towboat, and one on each 'hip'), but towboats generally won't run with barges on their hips except on rare occasions, and usually only when those barges are empty (sitting very high up), for a variety of reasons.

On the Lower Mississippi (Ohio downstream) towboats don't have locks and dams to concern themselves with- the river runs wild and free... so they'll usually run SIX wide and five long (30 barges).  I don't know for certain, but I don't see any reason why they COULDN'T run additional barges on their hips, but having them there, especially FULL, causes performance limitiations (waterflow limits through the propellers, off the flanking rudders, etc) that they probably wouldn't want.

Last week, I was piloting an 80ft 65 ton motorsailer down the Arkansas River.  It was clear that water levels were low, and we NEEDED it that way (mast was 51ft, and our three lowest bridge clearances were 52ft), but with a 6.5ft draft, we were finding the bottom every so often.  There was dredging going on immediatley downstream of Lock 1, where the White River Canal joins the Arkansas River canal bypass, and we got hung up in quite the mud bank that'd developed as a result of slow water circumstances... had to do some substantial acrobatics to shake loose from it, then survey the area thoroughly to find a passage for our twin keels.  There was a dredging crew working that specific spot, and a combination of traffic through, and the spoils transport, made the circumstance very unpredictable, and it didn't help that the air temperature was just a few degrees above freezing, but the water was warm, leaving a foot of wispy fog atop the river's surface.  One of the two canal locks was only open during the nighttime (they were doing daytime closures for maintenance) so it wasn't a traversal choice that we wanted to make.

But the waterflow IS low.  I was in front of my dad's house today, and pool flow at Upper Miss Lock and Dam 14 is almost zero.

Water at ANY point in the river clears up when this happens... first because the waterflow is coming to a basic stop (which causes the lightest sedimentary fractions to start falling out) and the serious reduction of towboat traffic has basically stopped prop-wash from stirring it up in the first place.  During wintertime, I can see down about 12 feet in front of what used to be my old place.  During summer, less than 3 inches...
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