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    Posted: 16 Jan 2020 at 12:52pm
Hey All,
I've got an Allis C with a B wishbone wide front and noticed quite a lot of slop (~3/16") where the wishbone support bolts to the bellhousing (aka the rear axle pivot, I think), see image below.  Looks like whoever converted it to wide front didn't have the bushing...?   I've been unable to find anything that seems right through Steiners, DJ's, eBay, etc.  My measurements suggest I could drill out some 3/4" schedule 40 pipe with a 7/8" drill to make one.  Thoughts?  Any help is appreciated!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote PaulB Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Jan 2020 at 12:59pm
That should be a bronze bushing, part #210680. Mike Z had one listed in his NOS parts a few days back. 
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I go to my shed an pick out a nice torque tube and use that. Sorry that's what happens when you collect and don't toss anything.
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I would take it apart, measure the bore and the spud, then go to Graingers and find what I needed.
 If things aren't round, that would have to be addressed first, in order to find the right size bushing.
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For what is worth, I find McMasterCarr far better than Graingers.
Anyways, I would think you will need to ream/drill the hole out to something near round, then obtain the proper bushing stock to fit the hole, and then drill/ream it out to fit
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I'll know more after this weekend, but the hole is not noticeably obround (yet).  Problem is it measures ~1.060" & the bushing has to fit over 7/8" threads.  I scoured McMaster-Carr (tend to agree with you Lou), but the closest I could find for less than $80 is 1" OD.  That's why I thought the 3/4" sch 40 iron pipe would be better, ~1.05" OD & cheap. 
 
However... Giving Grainger a try for the first time in years, they do have something closer for <$7 (+10.98 shipping, ffs).  Sounds like Mikez may have something also.  So I have options, which is nice. Big smile
 
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I found the one on my D-10 was not good, and no way to lube it, so I added a grease zerk.
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C in Concord,
I like your approach to leave it better than you found it! If that bushing from grainger is about right it looks like a inexpensive way to go. Suprized that Mc Master Carr did not have equivalent in size material and price too. They are my go to place for items like that too. We need some additional pictures of your C with the wish bone B axle too!
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I have never seen one with a bushing. Won't hurt to have one.

You have more wear points than the hole.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Mikez Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Jan 2020 at 8:31pm
The part number Paul said to use that I have is steal
It's about 1-1/16 long X 1-1/32 or 1-1/16 OD X 29/32 ID

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Hey guys is there a bushing or anything in the front pivot. Could you check your parts book for me.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote C in Concord Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Jan 2020 at 12:04pm
A little house keeping...

Originally posted by Dick L Dick L wrote:

I have never seen one with a bushing. Won't hurt to have one.

You have more wear points than the hole.

In looking at the Agco parts site, they claim B43220 & up had the bushing (15 in the image below; part# 210680). If I'm reading it right... That would mean it occurred during 1940 production, which aligns with my situation.



Originally posted by Mikez Mikez wrote:

The part number Paul said to use that I have is steal
It's about 1-1/16 long X 1-1/32 or 1-1/16 OD X 29/32 ID

I ended making one out of 3/4" black iron pipe. After spending some quality time with my bench grinder, I got the OD to fit. Size ended up close to Mike's #'s, 1"L x 1-1/32"OD x 7/8" ID. Should work while I wait for the real one from Mike.

Originally posted by Mikez Mikez wrote:

Hey guys is there a bushing or anything in the front pivot. Could you check your parts book for me.
Thanks

I sent you a PM to this effect also, but there is no bushing in the front pivot (per the Agco parts site again). Thank you for asking though! Hopefully you can find the pivot bolt (18) and collar (22)...



I think that covers it... Thanks for the help all!
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I have drilled out several B axles and pressed in bushings. Most of them are oblong holes. I bought bronze bushings at hardware store to fit the bolt and drilled out the hole to fit the bushing.
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Originally posted by Dick L Dick L wrote:

I have drilled out several B axles and pressed in bushings. Most of them are oblong holes. I bought bronze bushings at hardware store to fit the bolt and drilled out the hole to fit the bushing.
I agree, that is my plan for the front pivot.  Just have to get the parts and build a support/splitting stand so I can get the axle off.  Thanks again all!
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