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    Posted: 07 Sep 2016 at 11:48am
In reading the post asking about the best looking tractor, I saw some comments about the 7000 series maroon belly tractors.  One comment said he liked the black belly as the maroon ones seemed cheap, like they were primed and not painted.  I agree with that thought.
What was the reason/logic for the maroon color.  It definitely does not compliment the A/C orange.

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Oil leaks weren't as easily noticed on darker colors.
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I have no idea why, but when I brought my 7000 home I had no intention of keeping the maroon. The more I worked on it the more the maroon grew on me.

It would have been a lot cheaper & easier to switch it to black, I kept it maroon and have no regrets at all. I like it!
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It was the 70's. Weird things were happening.
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I kinda wonder why they were maroon too. A friend of mine has two 7050s, both repainted black because he hated maroon.

I also wonder why they changed the bin decals of the earliest L/M Gleaners. I thought they looked pretty cool. 
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Someone in the accounting dept noticed that when they ordered paint by the 55 gallon drum the cost per gallon was way cheaper ($1 a gallon) then when they got it in 5 gallon buckets ($2 a gallon)  and when they ordered it by the semi tanker load  (50 cents a gallon) it was even cheaper per gallon then by the 55 gallon drum.

Given that they figured the biggest volume they could order it by would thus be the cheapest yet so they ordered one tanker train load (10 cents a gallon) of the stuff or ~100 33,000 gallon rail cars worth.  Tongue

It takes a long time to burn up that much paint so be glad that the AC manufacturing plants were far inland and not near seaports where that accountant could have ordered a load of paint by the ocean tanker load (pennies per gallon you know) otherwise AC would have been all red primer from top to bottom just like the old Ford tractors were basically primer grey from top to bottom!  Wink 
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Huh????
sometimes I walk out to my shop and look around and think "Who's the idiot that owns this place?"
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Now that's a conspiracy theory Big smile
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Originally posted by JayIN JayIN wrote:

Huh????

I take you have never worked in a place where accounting either had you restricted to only ever ordering one item at a time to keep inventory numbers down or went the opposite way and pushed so hard for you to use bulk order price breaks that you ended up with a lifetimes supply of an item on the shelf and just looked for ways to use it even if it wasn't necessary?   

As someone who has been a service tech in one fashion or another all my life I have fought that battle too many times.  Either I had a certain part that I used a lot but could not bulk order due to concerns over inventory numbers or they pushed me to order so damn many of something to get the best price break possible I doubted I would ever use them all up. 
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Allis company was soooo huge I doubt paint was much of an item. They bought about every color possible for all the things they built. At least that's my take.
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some farmers are like that too
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I asked Norm Swinford this exact question. His reply was like Dr Allis said they wanted a darker color because oil leaks didnt show as easily, the intent was black, but they had a mock up that was in prime, and the president of the company seen it and said he liked that color, so keep it, and after a lot of negative feed back it was eventually changed to the intended black. His words, not mine
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If hiding oil leaks was a concern every tractor ever built would be painted black. 
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^^^Yeah!

And, like someone above said, that primer-maroon color and the orange do not compliment each other in the slightest. That president dude, his wife musta matched his socks, slacks, and tie for work each day.
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Guess I'm in the minority, I think the maroon belly tractors look good as long as it's not faded out.
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Originally posted by ACFarmer ACFarmer wrote:

Guess I'm in the minority, I think the maroon belly tractors look good as long as it's not faded out.
I agree, I've always liked the looks of them. I like the black bellies too but when someone paints a maroon belly black it doesn't look right to me, guess I'm just use to maroon paint with the different cab, decals and cream wheels and top. I think they look especially good with ROPS or an open station.
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Milwaukee is a seaport via the St Laurence seaway.
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Originally posted by ACFarmer ACFarmer wrote:

Guess I'm in the minority, I think the maroon belly tractors look good as long as it's not faded out.


I guess I'm in the minority as well as I always liked the maroon belly. Especially when they were new and glossy. Additionally, same colors as my alma mater: Virginia Tech!
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I'll put my vote in for the maroon belly 7000 series as well.  I think the Orange and Maroon look good together.  Like said before...painting a factory maroon belly tractor "black" just looks wrong.  I like to see things in their "original" form.  Of course I may be biased because I have a 7050.  I just love the first-year 7030 and 7050 with the maroon belly and black cab front.  Very unique.  With all that said...I would NEVER throw out a black belly 7000 series tractor in my shed...love them too!
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I had a 7030 only truly new tractor I ever bought. Part of my purchase deal was remove all maroon paint and paint it black. When they got to my farm I scraped off paint behind the rails to make sure. They had and got to unload. I Never regretted my decision or the cost. I Hate the maroon some Moron chose.
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WHY NOT !!  I like the way they looked .
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I bet ya a dollar that sales would have been better if the 7000's came out with black bellies. They were such a shock to the system the way it was,then you add in that "out of place" maroon ......YUCK!
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The reason I despised them was they looked like a teen aged girl picked the paint scheme. I’d just as soon owned a pink tractor.
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Well i have always prefered the maroon models, And i never liked the look of the black belly cabs always thought the earlier cabs looked better.
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Nice looking 7060 !
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I tend to favor the early cab as well. The proportions are better but that front panel I'll bet was a bear to make. From the operator's seat it makes little difference. I don't remember ever seeing a moroon belly when they were new. Was the color dull then or shiny?
Check that, looking at a side by side photo of mine I see the flat panel offers more glass to reduce a blind spot.

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Yes, that early cab had a lot more work involved with those front panels. I never understood the point of that design, was it for looks or was it something to do with sound deadening? I guess if I had to pick one I think the newer flat version looks a little better and less "busy" to me.
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I always figured the early cab’s lower windows where designed as a “cultivator view” window. Long days of row cultivating could hurt an operator’s neck. Look at front axle row marker rod, then turn and see cultivator behaving or not(1st gear @ idle, fenders, rolling fenders, shovels, shank angles, etc...).

The early year-a-round cabs weren’t conducive to cultivating. Lots of open station umbrellas used though.

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JPG AUSTRALIA, I love your maroon 7060. Can see it’s spelled out “Allis-Chalmers” intercooler peeking out under its hood. It’s fatback tire’s are great too. What year is it? I don’t see a PS decal, so Power director - right? Is it’s fuel tank metal or plastic?

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It sure did not hurt the sales like the Deutz color you all like so much !!  LOL
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