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clarkscreek 
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Posted: 17 Jul 2022 at 5:53pm |
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I am looking to add a 100hp cab tractor to the farm and was wanting input from experienced allis operators.. I am trying to decide between a 4050 quad range deere and a 8010 powershift allis. Both are in great shape. I have experience with deere from that age and of the hundred series allis's but no experience with the later 7000 and 8000 series. Jobs to be done would include, round baling, pasture mowing, 8ft rotor tiller, hauling hay on road and on farm, hauling grain wagons, discing 14ft disc. Terrain is rolling ground. Would the allis powershift be an advantage over the quad? Reliability? How's the ride quality on the allis compared to soundguard deere? Cab, ac, anything you could think of for one over the other. Thanks.
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PaulB
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Posted: 17 Jul 2022 at 5:57pm |
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No opinion about the better of the two, but a question... Why the need these days for Power shift tractors. I've farmed for decades and most jobs require a specific speed to be done properly and you put it in that gear until the job is done.
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If it was fun to pull in LOW gear, I could have a John Deere.
Real pullers don't have speed limits.
If you can't make it GO... make it SHINY
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Posted: 17 Jul 2022 at 6:02pm |
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To me service and parts are the most important part. Unless you can work on your own, its important to have or know someone that can work on it. Just my thought
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clarkscreek
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Posted: 17 Jul 2022 at 6:05pm |
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All work on all of my tractors and equipment is performed by me, on the farm.
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Posted: 17 Jul 2022 at 6:17pm |
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After hauling my neighbors 2 Deere’s in for major transmission issues last week, I would go for a power shift although I have very little experience with them. Both of his had very low hours(572 and 1247) and Deere said they both were out of warranty.
I would be trading brands if they would have been mine.
The power shift was really nice disking with a 9’ offset disk.
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Posted: 17 Jul 2022 at 6:30pm |
The work you describe especially the hay work and haulage will favor the powershift by a mile, Plus no clash shifting from forward to reverse if your baler needs you to back up to dump. I have a power director and a powershift. High range will cover all the speeds you need to start heavy load do field work and speed up to transport speed or travel to from field on farm paths. The parts and service comments are for sure valid too.
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Posted: 17 Jul 2022 at 6:49pm |
Personally, I would go with the Deere, just because of parts availability.
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clarkscreek
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Posted: 17 Jul 2022 at 6:58pm |
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How about cab and ride quality?
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Posted: 17 Jul 2022 at 7:56pm |
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The Quad range has more speeds but I believe six of them are overlap. Sound guard cab is definately inferior to the 8010. The engines (at least the later 4050)are a wash between the two in my opinion. I make hay with a 7010 powershift. Allis would most likely be easier on fuel.I would personally not trade it for a 4050 Quadrange.
Edited by exSW - 17 Jul 2022 at 8:07pm
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Ron(AB)
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Posted: 17 Jul 2022 at 8:11pm |
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Allis power shift all the way. For baling and hauling its #1. You don't have to clutch once you're in motion.
The Allis cab is better.
The Allis hydraulics are better.
The Allis filling height of the fuel tank is better and bigger. And easier to service all the way around...
Make sure you have 20.8x38 on the rears and it will ride smooth and give you lots of clearance for making hay...
I owned one for 20+ years for haying, hauling bales and feeding thru winter. Very good tractor!
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Posted: 17 Jul 2022 at 8:47pm |
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I'd get the 8010, no question
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Allis Chalmers still exist in my mind and barns
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Posted: 17 Jul 2022 at 8:51pm |
 clarkscreek wrote:
How about cab and ride quality? |
The Allis cab is definitely better; hard to beat the Deere hydra-cushion seat for ride, the powershift would be nicer for everything you're going to do, but for me, it still comes down to parts. I've been in that situation with AGCO, trying to haul manure, and can't, because we couldn't get the radiator fan for an AGCO Allis 9675.
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Posted: 17 Jul 2022 at 9:32pm |
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I love AC's as much as anyone; But needing a part and AGCO say it's NLA is not a good feeling. They are both good tractors. Buy the JD
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Posted: 18 Jul 2022 at 5:44am |
Ky.Allis wrote:
I love AC's as much as anyone; But needing a part and AGCO say it's NLA is not a good feeling. They are both good tractors. Buy the JD
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John Deere (and Case IH) both have more than their share of parts NLA, too.
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Posted: 18 Jul 2022 at 5:59am |
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How are the two tractors priced ? If both are in the same condition, how much more for the John Deere 4050 compared to the Allis Chalmers 8010 ? That would be the next determining factor for me after looking them are over.
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Posted: 18 Jul 2022 at 7:50am |
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The deere is 25% higher. My main concern is the ride of the tractor compared to the deere and the reliability of the drive train compared to the deere. I already have a 4050 with the quad but think I would like a powershift for a lot of the jobs and terrain. I just have no one around me with one to try out in the field so for you guys that have used both any pros and cons comparing the two would be great. I really appreciate the feedback so far and any more that I can get.
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Posted: 18 Jul 2022 at 9:18am |
We have an 8050 power shift with over 12,000 hrs that has never been touched, been turned up most of its life also.
A hell of a tranny, rear ends are bullet proof also.
Got a friend with a 4020, lot of parts are NLA.
Edited by NEVER green - 18 Jul 2022 at 9:21am
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Posted: 22 Jul 2022 at 1:19pm |
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Like you say, you already know the JD4050. IMO-Buy the AC 8010 & operate it for a spring, summer, or fall season. And then, you be the judge. Compare its 301’s power/fuel efficiency, PowerShift trans, hydraulics, cab, & ride to your JDs. Then either Keep it or sell it. I’m Hoping you enjoy the 8010! But if not, I’m sure another JD4050 will come along.
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Posted: 22 Jul 2022 at 7:47pm |
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I've not owned either one ... but there seems too much concern about 'ride quality' and the 'power shift' feature (related to ride quality again) in the thread. +1 there is one speed for doing a particular job, like baling and plowing. Worried about cab Air Conditioning?
All the tractors I've used and grew up with were open station models.
I rarely use the car/truck air conditioning because of allergies. So I don't want them on my tractors anyway. Can't bale in the rain so don't need a cab for baling... Farming is an outside job :)
The problem with the creature comfort items added to tractors like cabs, a/c, exotic seating: they substantially increase the complexity of the tractor working reliably day in day out. More break downs and more power robbing functions cause the need for higher horse power and fuel consumption.
Here's a 1950s WD45 open station running a round baler. Granted it's an older simpler round baler but it's getting the job done ... a tractor for $300 and some repair elbow grease.
What we think we need is not always so. Sometimes we can do the job with average equipment and a whole lot less cash outlay. Shuttling wagons around, we did back in the 70s with a 35hp Massey Ferguson. Ran the JD square baler with it in a pinch too, dropping on the ground rather than dragging a wagon along with it.
... Friend of the family has their JD cab baling tractor in the shop for transmission work that is running in excess of $10,000 repair bill.
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Posted: 23 Jul 2022 at 1:53pm |
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Posted: 23 Jul 2022 at 2:09pm |
Interesting, never seen a whel drive baler.
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