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What not to do to a engine rebuild!

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I was not picking on the re-builder, I am sorry if it came across that way. Unhappy
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Don
Thanks for posting that it is sad to see someone who doesn't know and tries to do the right thing end up there from bad advice.   I have had similar things happen to me and had to repair enough things I paid someone to do who didn't know what they where doing. It reminds me how lucky I am to have a mechanic I can trust now. I take things there and alot of the time I stay and help with the repair to learn how it should be done. Glad to know he will get it fixed right this time.
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This 'thread' should be shown to EVERYONE even thinking about rebuilding an engine, ANY engine. It is sad to see the huge amount of time and money wasted when 'step number one' was missed.
Read the OEM manual ! There's reasons WHY Allis-Chalmers and others do things at the factory. They will do it as cheap as possible BUT they also make sure it is reliable. The silliycone where orings should be is a great example. At least reading /looking at OEM pictures would be useful.
Yup, I'm guilty of lightly using gasket maker in a tube and my own 'cork' gasket vs, the official A-C $$$ gasket for the rockshaft, but I KNEW mine would work fine but IN the engine, pay the piper and do it right the first time.

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If a little goo is good, a little more is better and a whole lot must be  a whole lot better.Dead
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If we are going to learn from mistakes, I hope they are someone else's mistakes.
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A bought lesson is a learned lesson.
I know I have bought many lessons in my time. And still learning every day. I can see how that happened, he was just doing what was suggested. Whatever site he got the info from must have a lot of hot heads and chickens on it if folks were scared to speak up and correct the guy that posted that.
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Education is expensive but if nothing is done wrong sometimes someone will not learn. I give the guy a lot of credit bringing it to someone to have it redone and not say his neighbor did it for him. At least the man tried. This is the reason I can't do a rebuild, not enough knowledge.
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Originally posted by Brian Jasper co. Ia Brian Jasper co. Ia wrote:

Originally posted by Jordan(OH) Jordan(OH) wrote:

Wait, is that panky's engine you're rebuilding?
I knew this was coming! LOL
As far as the advice Don's customer got, SMH!

It DOES resemble the tennessee scud...
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I have paid good money to people in business for 40 years that came back worse than that before I finally found somebody that knows what their doing. being in business for 40 or 50 years has no bearing on knowing what your doing. I would like my next father-in-law to have a nice machine shop.
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Don, I really think you should make a point of posting these mistakes on that other website to help educate those that are not educated in rebuilding these engines.  The fools that provided this misinformation to the tractor owner should be singled out and shamed for how little they know.
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Originally posted by DSeries4 DSeries4 wrote:

Don, I really think you should make a point of posting these mistakes on that other website to help educate those that are not educated in rebuilding these engines.  The fools that provided this misinformation to the tractor owner should be singled out and shamed for how little they know.

I have thought about going on there and doing just that but I'm thinking all it will do is make them mad at me for poking my nose in their site.
All i was trying to do with this post was let guys know that some for the INFO that's out there may or may-not be good. Kind of like the old saying buyer be wear.Ouch
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Originally posted by Don(MO) Don(MO) wrote:

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I posted this so we can all try to remember to tell a new wrench how to do something. We all started out not knowing "how-to" at one time and I'm still learning....

Well said Don. I remember several years ago trying to explain to a guy how to adjust valve lash on a Kubota L175 on the other orange tractor website. Since the advent of hydraulic lifters in automobiles, there aren't a lot of people that know how to do it, and more importantly, explain it clearly, off the top of their heads.

Sometimes a little procedure that takes about ten minutes to do in real life takes three days to explain over the internet.

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What parts did you need to replace of the new parts he bought?
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Good question Lon, I have not pulled the engine all the way down yet, I know the block is bad so after the replacement block shows up I will strip the old one down then I will know the full list of bad parts. 
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There is NO FIX for what people get told or read that is BAD INFORMATION
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nonetheless ,still dead.
If all else fails ,Read all that is PRINTED.
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Originally posted by Fred in Pa Fred in Pa wrote:


There is NO FIX for what people get told or read that is BAD INFORMATION

Fred this is dead on!
We run into this all the time on old tractors that what I call the "The first timer" trying to find the INFO on the web or the coffee shop, I'm bad about not posting how I do the repair on here sometimes because I'm not ready for the no you are wrong coming back at me. 
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I don't think that would happen on here Don!  What you have ALWAYS done is in the best interest of us and Allis.  Might get a few "here's an easier way" of "here's a shortcut" but I don't think of the "no you are wrong" from any of us on here!!  You are one of our experts!!

I can't imagine how this poor guy feels....... He was just trying to do the right thing, but got nothing but BAD INFORMATION!
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Good post Don.
 I learned many years ago, that learning is a learning experience.  When I started out workin in a factory, I ran a press and we had to do our own insert replacement to keep the dies working right. Inserts were made by trainees and run thru heat treat and never finish ground to specs. When I came across something I didn't know about, I always asked at least 3 different guys on the floor for their opinions. One guy, I learned right away, "knew it all and could tell you exactly what to do". That was the first guy that got crossed off my list when asking for help later. Another guy would look at my last strip out of the die and say, " I think if you did so and so, it would make a better part. That guy ended up "learning me" a LOT about how and when to do different adjustments.
 I only worked that job for 2 months, but learned more in that time, then what the guy that "knew it all" ever knew about progression dies.
 I left that job to go work in the tool room cause the tool room foreman knew of my work and sometimes watched me from a distance when I took a die apart and fixed it.
 If you take 3 or more opinions and think about it, you can sometimes find the best of all and blend them to come up with a good fix.
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Originally posted by mdm1 mdm1 wrote:

Education is expensive but if nothing is done wrong sometimes someone will not learn. I give the guy a lot of credit bringing it to someone to have it redone and not say his neighbor did it for him. At least the man tried. This is the reason I can't do a rebuild, not enough knowledge.


Me too!
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that's why this "misfit" posts some of the things I does/ have did, so's ya'll can learn from my mistakes and conquests! lol
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As I told my son more than once. Another learning experience! His reply was-Dad I must be the smartest man in the world by now!
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Originally posted by mdm1 mdm1 wrote:

As I told my son more than once. Another learning experience! His reply was-Dad I must be the smartest man in the world by now!
Did you tell him; "Nope, but getting to be the 2nd". LOL Wink
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Thanks Ted!
Everything is impossible until someone does it! WD45-trip loader 1947 c w/woods belly mower, 1939 B, #3 sickle mower 1944 B, 2 1948 G's. Misc other equipment that my wife calls JUNK!
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That's some good advice ctucker
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