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What not to do to a engine rebuild!

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    Posted: 21 Apr 2016 at 9:49pm
Here's a Wd45 gas engine that the owner tried to rebuild after reading on a diff tractor site just what to do, can you tell some of the things he might have done wrong. He is a nice guy just got some bad INFO and that's going to cost him more money. I hate to see this crap.





 
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I forgot to add the oil pan still leaked after the goop spread on the block/pan.  
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bet a green person told him all this!
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try to find the forum where he got that info, and we'll all converge on it!
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Wow
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What's that around the sleeves and on the freeze plug?
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sad that someone done this. but i cant help but think what the parts store thought when he came in and bought all the gasket glue lol
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Yea and said was doing an engine job
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Originally posted by CrestonM CrestonM wrote:

What's that around the sleeves and on the freeze plug?
I don't know, but it sure looks like JB weld to me...

I've never done a wet sleeved engine, yet, but I have overhauled more than a few gasoline engines; both small and automotive. New gaskets peeking out look okay, globs of silicone oozing unevenly from various places ruin the pride of a job well done.

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We don't need no stinking gasket set!
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I am with you Don, hate to see it. Obviously the guy spent a lot of time cleaning and spent money on new parts then messed the whole deal up.
Many years ago a 350 HP 396 Chevy engine came into my shop that was in identical shape except the main and rod caps were all blue/  Most everything the guy spent $$ had to be replaced after  10 lbs of silicone and Teflon tape bits plugged up the oil screen on the maiden voyage. 
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Wow! Pretty scary stuff! Well, back to the drawing board.....
That engine is in good hands now!!


Edited by Steve in NJ - 22 Apr 2016 at 5:25am
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Looks like Never-Seize on the liners?  
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I have not pulled the cam to look at it yet but the one shot is the rear cam plug and it has had the paint burnt off it, so it might be just drove in to hard but it's burnt the paint and that's wrong. I know what site posted the use of silicone on sleeve installing (the clown said to use lots of it on and around the sleeves)and at the time I read this it was hard not to start posting on there just to stop this crap from being spread. the owner used Ultra Gray Silicone around the sleeves and in the O-ring grooves without using the O-rings. I'm not putting this on the owner, he was just doing what was posted to do and that's BAD INFO. The coolant was running down the sleeves after all the crap around the sleeves because the block was broken and had a bolt holding in place. The oil pump screen is covered with silicone.
All I can say is sad!   
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A lot of people think they can read something and that what ever they do is going to work. Some of this stuff that comes in to My Shop sometimes is unreal .



He who dies with the most toys is,
nonetheless ,still dead.
If all else fails ,Read all that is PRINTED.
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Don,
 Thanks for posting things like this. A lot of us work on our own stuff and having a expert like you point out what not to do is almost as good as what needs to be done right.
Thanks for taking the time to put these pictures up.
I wondered what that burnt mark was on the soft plug. So that's from rubbing on the end of the cam?
Just some sloppy work with the silicone all over the block to pan gasket area.
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Someone needed to ask him, "did it look that way when it came from the factory?" Obviously this guy got his advice from some real experts.
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Needed a couple more tubes of RTV and he would be good to go. I do find it strange that if he took the engine apart and found no RTV why he thought it was good to put it together with a gallon of the stuff. Even if he was steered in the wrong direction the engine worked for 50 years as is.
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I'm taking notes!
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I think all of us have learned by a mistake or two, I know I have.

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Originally posted by TedBuiskerN.IL. TedBuiskerN.IL. wrote:

I think all of us have learned by a mistake or two, I know I have.


I think that you're right. We just need to learn from others mistakes, instead of making them again to 'test if it works for me' Some good lessons here......
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He obviously did not watch your oil pan video! These engines aren't cheap to overhaul, can't believe someone goes to the expense then does that.
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Give him a break guys! He was just misinformed. Flame the teacher!   (And no I didnt do it).
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Wait, is that panky's engine you're rebuilding?
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its pretty scarey about the the info out there on the internet, when you are looking for info that you dont  know any thing about it makes bad info look right  bad info looks right,        and that can really mess things up for a guy.          on here if info gets a little twisted someone will get it straightend out.           this is one place that has good trusted info from many experts
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You can not always learn the CORRECT way by Typing and Reading
He who dies with the most toys is,
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If all else fails ,Read all that is PRINTED.
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Originally posted by Jordan(OH) Jordan(OH) wrote:

Wait, is that panky's engine you're rebuilding?
I knew this was coming! LOL
As far as the advice Don's customer got, SMH!
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I have said many times that a person has to understand what they know.  Within what you know are all those little details that some think are not all that important.


As the story goes!
Jack told me that he talked to Pete who was told by Mike that actually watched James overhaul his engine and said those details were not all that important. Just do it this way and it will be fine.

I was so blessed that I was able to have garage owner mechanics willing to point out details to check back in the 50's and beyond just to be helpful.  I still forgot some and was reminded after a failure or more.  Actual learning comes from doing and redoing.  


  
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GEES... the guy got BAD advice on the other site and NOBODY bothered to jump in and correct it ?   Cant see that happening here !
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Guys please don't think the owner of this one is all that wrong in how he went at the rebuild, he was just doing what was posted and didn't have lots of engine rebuilds under his belt, he spent the money for good parts and outside labor it was just the installation of the parts and bad help that got him in trouble, I will get him fixed up in no time.
I posted this so we can all try to remember to tell a new wrench how to do something. We all started out not knowing "how-to" at one time and I'm still learning.
know I'll be more careful on what I type from now on.       
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