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Posted: 29 Jul 2022 at 11:19am |
I see Missouri ,Oklahoma, to Texas cattlemen talking no grass because of drought. This morning on radio big talk of flooding in Kentucky. Is this flood just one cloud that dumped on one little spot?
Is it just one extreme or the other or is there some middle ground that is kind of normal.
Not from the political end this time , but I don't believe the news. City folk don't look at weather the way farm people do. So I am interested if anybody is at all near normal in the middle of the country.
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Posted: 29 Jul 2022 at 11:23am |
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We had severe dry Mid Mo long enough that livestock farmers started feeding bales. No rain for like 5 1/2 weeks other than a passing sprinkle, grass went dormant. Rains passed by Upper north end of state and across the southere section but left mid section dry as popcorn. Same true across Central IL.
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Posted: 29 Jul 2022 at 12:00pm |
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I see Missouri ,Oklahoma, to Texas cattlemen talking no grass because of drought. This morning on radio big talk of flooding in Kentucky. Is this flood just one cloud that dumped on one little spot?Ray, from what I can gather from internet reports, this appears to be a stalled local system over SE Ky. The Ky governor pointed out it was caused by climate change, but then immediately assured us that he did not want to politicize the death, misery and destruction resulting from the storm!
Is it just one extreme or the other or is there some middle ground that is kind of normal.
Not from the political end this time , but I don't believe the news. City folk don't look at weather the way farm people do. So I am interested if anybody is at all near normal in the middle of the country. |
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Posted: 29 Jul 2022 at 12:29pm |
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Weather casters here say still abnormally dry for east central Iowa. Pasture grass isn’t growing like used to though the yard sure don’t seem to notice. I only wish the small storms we get would stop knocking over the corn
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Posted: 29 Jul 2022 at 1:00pm |
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Climate change my a$$,, the one in st Louis broke a record that was set in 1915 from the same hurricane that took out Galveston Texas, every night on the weather they have the records on rain and temperature, that as well is scattered all over the map,it just happens, it's mother nature, one big difference is the amount of people and concrete,more people more chance of injury or death,more concrete??? Concrete won't suck up water, the St Louis PBS radio had some whip dip collage professor that said not only is it climate change it racial disparity,, really?? The storm system purposely aimed at north St Louis,, really??? Look at Houston Texas,flat, mostly reclaimed swamp,now it's all drained and either highways or parking lot,toss 4 inches of rain on that and see what happens.. damn I'm tired of these wack jobs trying to turn something that isn't into something that is.
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Posted: 29 Jul 2022 at 1:23pm |
MY soybeans have not had any rain since they were planted until yesterday morning. 4/10 of an inch.
I did have an inch of rain a month ago. I had been praying to God for an inch of rain and he delivered. However, I needed to be more specific in my prayers. I should have specified an inch horizontal not vertical. I always knew he had a sense of humor.
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Posted: 29 Jul 2022 at 1:34pm |
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That's exactly my point, most of the Midwest is in a huge drought,they are comparing it to 2012,1995,1970 something and back to when recording started, NO man is going to control the weather, man certainly has a knack for putting himself and others in harm's way but as far as weather systems being created by man is only a political game
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Posted: 29 Jul 2022 at 1:48pm |
Normal??? Just what is normal weather? Seems there is always something around here that challenges farming BIG TIME. It's been far from a normal....er....average (?) year here.
Spring, such as it was, was very cold, stayed that way until a couple weeks into May. Not overly wet, but wet enough, late snows. Fieldwork like oats, tillage, etc. was delayed a month. Then it was instantly near 90 degrees. We did get some decent enough rains through June to keep things looking OK, but it got so hot so quick and the rains weren't that big, that when the really hot dry crap of July started it got bad in a hurry.
Normally here it is high humidity, and quite heavy dew in the mornings. From about July 12 - 23, it got HOT, like 97-98 most days, low humidity, no dew, and friggin' WINDY. They have a word for something that blows hot dry air: a dryer!! With our already behind needed rains, that really took a toll. Pastures are dead, first cutting hay died off to maturity before you could get it harvested and second cutting is blossoming at about 6 inches tall. I had some corn die in lighter soils. I can only remember one other time of corn dying, don't remember the year, but seems ~ 8 years ago thereabouts.
We got a nice rain Sunday the 24th, but too late for a lot of things. Soybeans are tough little beggars and still holding on, so hopefully that rain will carry them through. The heat is coming back next week, and very little rain in the forecast. Definitely don't have a clue what the crop is going to look like come harvest time.
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Posted: 29 Jul 2022 at 2:24pm |
The "storm" went thru St Louis and dumped 7 inches of rain overnight, then heading east into Kentucky doing the same.... We live 200 miles NORTH of St Louis and got NOTHING.... So it is a "localized" area that gets hit, not the entire "MID WEST".
something like this.......
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Posted: 29 Jul 2022 at 2:32pm |
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Yes it all depend on who you listen too but St. Lois got from 9" to 12" in 12 hours and the most of Kentucky is where it headed next and another 9" there. Her in Ohio where I live we have had 4.07" of rain this month and warm weather, calling for the 90s at least 2 days next week.
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Posted: 29 Jul 2022 at 3:43pm |
Tbone95 wrote:
Normal??? Just what is normal weather? Seems there is always something around here that challenges farming BIG TIME. It's been far from a normal....er....average (?) year here.
Spring, such as it was, was very cold, stayed that way until a couple weeks into May. Not overly wet, but wet enough, late snows. Fieldwork like oats, tillage, etc. was delayed a month. Then it was instantly near 90 degrees. We did get some decent enough rains through June to keep things looking OK, but it got so hot so quick and the rains weren't that big, that when the really hot dry crap of July started it got bad in a hurry.
Normally here it is high humidity, and quite heavy dew in the mornings. From about July 12 - 23, it got HOT, like 97-98 most days, low humidity, no dew, and friggin' WINDY. They have a word for something that blows hot dry air: a dryer!! With our already behind needed rains, that really took a toll. Pastures are dead, first cutting hay died off to maturity before you could get it harvested and second cutting is blossoming at about 6 inches tall. I had some corn die in lighter soils. I can only remember one other time of corn dying, don't remember the year, but seems ~ 8 years ago thereabouts.
We got a nice rain Sunday the 24th, but too late for a lot of things. Soybeans are tough little beggars and still holding on, so hopefully that rain will carry them through. The heat is coming back next week, and very little rain in the forecast. Definitely don't have a clue what the crop is going to look like come harvest time.
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Posted: 29 Jul 2022 at 4:25pm |
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We’ve gotten about half an inch in Busch Arkansas. Areas near us got a little more but none of the flooding we’re hearing about.
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Posted: 29 Jul 2022 at 5:42pm |
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we got a small shower 2 days ago, enough to wet the sidewalk. our crops here look good yet, the high humidity has helped them alot! if you look over a map of western IA and across NE, we've seen replant corn that is only about 6 inches tall right now near Fremont NE, i'm sure it was replanted for crop insurance rules. western IA around I-29 that goes north and south in the areas of sloan and onawa IA, the corn is thirsty, some are squirting water, the soybeans are real short yet, will be a pain to combine them, are less than a foot tall. around York NE wind and hail took them out, and out west of there the crops are thirsty too, not all have irrigation. Kearney NE are dried out. very hot temps across the state upper nineties to over 100 about all summer, it's bearable here today at 86 degree F, but next 2 weeks it's supposed to be back in the upper 90'ies to 100 degrees F again. I haven't gotten much done here cuz of the heat, still have lots of trees to cut and branches to burn. lots of firewood to cut yet. MEL you listening?
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Posted: 29 Jul 2022 at 6:02pm |
Almost Hurricane Tropical Storm came inland into MX, moved to AZ NM S CO and W TX is feeding the moisture train currently. Comes out of TX panhandle heads NE, crosses KS/lower NE and then crashes SE across MO, N AR and then East into Appalachia.
Had been cutting across S IA but has since dropped S. Quite a few Dry Cool fronts dropping from Canuckistan.
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Posted: 29 Jul 2022 at 7:05pm |
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Here in Nebraska, there is no such thing as normal weather.
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Posted: 29 Jul 2022 at 8:44pm |
LouSWPA wrote:
Tbone95 wrote:
Normal??? Just what is normal weather? Seems there is always something around here that challenges farming BIG TIME. It's been far from a normal....er....average (?) year here.
Spring, such as it was, was very cold, stayed that way until a couple weeks into May. Not overly wet, but wet enough, late snows. Fieldwork like oats, tillage, etc. was delayed a month. Then it was instantly near 90 degrees. We did get some decent enough rains through June to keep things looking OK, but it got so hot so quick and the rains weren't that big, that when the really hot dry crap of July started it got bad in a hurry.
Normally here it is high humidity, and quite heavy dew in the mornings. From about July 12 - 23, it got HOT, like 97-98 most days, low humidity, no dew, and friggin' WINDY. They have a word for something that blows hot dry air: a dryer!! With our already behind needed rains, that really took a toll. Pastures are dead, first cutting hay died off to maturity before you could get it harvested and second cutting is blossoming at about 6 inches tall. I had some corn die in lighter soils. I can only remember one other time of corn dying, don't remember the year, but seems ~ 8 years ago thereabouts.
We got a nice rain Sunday the 24th, but too late for a lot of things. Soybeans are tough little beggars and still holding on, so hopefully that rain will carry them through. The heat is coming back next week, and very little rain in the forecast. Definitely don't have a clue what the crop is going to look like come harvest time.
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Gee thanks. Was that supposed to be encouraging?  Yeah, where I live is surrounded by 3 huge masses of water. Wonder if that has anything to do with anything?
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Posted: 30 Jul 2022 at 12:12am |
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W C Iowa, north of I-80 between US 59 & 71. We've had a few near normal temp days after 3 weeks of 7 - 15 degrees above normal and very little rain, but have gotten 4: .25" to .6" rains mid June to mid July. Next 10+ days again in mid to upper 90's, 105+ heat index. The corn & beans look good but will need rain to make grain. My lawn is brown except for the weeds, crab grass is growing fast this last week.
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Posted: 30 Jul 2022 at 1:25am |
Tbone95 wrote:
LouSWPA wrote:
Tbone95 wrote:
Normal??? Just what is normal weather? Seems there is always something around here that challenges farming BIG TIME. It's been far from a normal....er....average (?) year here.
Spring, such as it was, was very cold, stayed that way until a couple weeks into May. Not overly wet, but wet enough, late snows. Fieldwork like oats, tillage, etc. was delayed a month. Then it was instantly near 90 degrees. We did get some decent enough rains through June to keep things looking OK, but it got so hot so quick and the rains weren't that big, that when the really hot dry crap of July started it got bad in a hurry.
Normally here it is high humidity, and quite heavy dew in the mornings. From about July 12 - 23, it got HOT, like 97-98 most days, low humidity, no dew, and friggin' WINDY. They have a word for something that blows hot dry air: a dryer!! With our already behind needed rains, that really took a toll. Pastures are dead, first cutting hay died off to maturity before you could get it harvested and second cutting is blossoming at about 6 inches tall. I had some corn die in lighter soils. I can only remember one other time of corn dying, don't remember the year, but seems ~ 8 years ago thereabouts.
We got a nice rain Sunday the 24th, but too late for a lot of things. Soybeans are tough little beggars and still holding on, so hopefully that rain will carry them through. The heat is coming back next week, and very little rain in the forecast. Definitely don't have a clue what the crop is going to look like come harvest time.
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Gee thanks. Was that supposed to be encouraging?
Yeah, where I live is surrounded by 3 huge masses of water. Wonder if that has anything to do with anything? sorry, couldn't resist! |
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Posted: 30 Jul 2022 at 8:06am |
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Up here in northern Minnesota we have been getting just enough rain to keep things growing. Southern MN hasn't been so lucky.
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Posted: 30 Jul 2022 at 1:00pm |
 Dang nabit Tbone I was asking about the middle of the country your off in the frozen waste land. Now that we have that part out of the way.
Sorry T in someway I must be missing dumb out of place comments. Nothing against you getting in too. I always like the going off in different direction. That is some of the best of this place get off the pavement so to speak.
You all confirmed what I was thinking. Mostly a dry year. One little spot gets dumped on, no good political fodder leaning the way the MSM does. The headline was something like DAMAGE SO BAD WEEKS TO KNOW HOW MANY DIED.
I have no idea how much thought and planning went into a local event that plays perfectly in the global warming/climate change theme. The weather for Paso Robles Ca was always recorded at the city water works on the river bank. But was changed 20 to 30 years ago to city airport. A relic of WW2 is the Paso Robles airport. Given to the county, given to the city. Wonderful place for a airport on a wide open plain, no mountains close at all. When the airport became city thing FAA and National Weather Service all combined and put automatic weather reporting equipment in.
There is also some alinement of mountains and valleys that draws much cooler coastal in a narrow area that named the Templeton Gap (Templeton is the next town south of PR and the center of the air flow and generally the coolest town in summer). Paso Robles is on the north edge of this air flow, and the airport is northeast of town. So it has always been a bit hotter there as well. So again the climate changers win with real numbers  but then again are they correct real numbers.  But the local TV guesser make good hay out of all the new hottest or driest on record. He can always seem to spin a new something up.
So stay cool/hot , wet/dry, what ever you want out there. I know we cannot all like the same thing  the reason somebody makes "pretty" for some of you when you already had to much.
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Posted: 30 Jul 2022 at 11:33pm |
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Dang....I thunks I just gots slammed!...lol...That'ds o-k Ray....someday....just someday....
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I am Entertained of sorts of the CC idiots grasping at heat straws that they expect no one else will review.
Heat Island effect has been a known phenomena for close to five decades where beyond that larger cities had much green space with growing recently planted trees, had expansive open farms surrounding them that have all now been laid down as suburbia with ever more concrete, asphalt, rooflines with fewer trees and green spaces. Then the weather comes on the infernal TV where with oir own eyes see the temperature variance city to rural in places at close to TEN degrees and the CC idiots cling to the weather service ‘Mean’ Temperature taken in that cloister of concrete as gospel on Global Warming where it is not.
All across the globe I suspect the same misinformed considerations exist and occur where yes we have days of seriously High records since records were kept, to serious lows in winter the CC idiots claim in Outlying areas as that works for their agendas in winter as those heat islands remain warmer.
The real problem and is fast coming to self determined response is too many people to feed, house, clothe and control. It will self correct, may not/will not like or enjoy it but is coming.
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Posted: 31 Jul 2022 at 6:11am |
The 'heat island' is real. West of me 2 major highways join (403 + 401) like a '----<' . That splits 99.44% of all thunderstorms to got north east and south east, missing us in the 'middle'.
re: The real problem and is fast coming to self determined response is too
many people to feed, house, clothe and control. It will self correct,
may not/will not like or enjoy it but is coming.
It's already here,just too many have their eyes closed, heads in the sand, won't admit it.
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Posted: 31 Jul 2022 at 8:52am |
There are a couple things going on. First is news media hype. News media is the propaganda arm of demonrat party.....so are hauling the water for the climate change agenda. If you hope to make drastic changes of the type they are trying to enact, you have to have some measure of public support. Pushing the agenda is part of that. And of course you have to follow the money. That could take a book unto itself.
Some years back, I sat through a presentation on weather cycles by an Iowa State expert. He showed us a pattern of long and short term weather cycles, going back hundreds of years. There are at least 3 of these "short term" cycles....like 75, 35 and 15. The appear in regular waves, almost like a sine wave. When in a warming cycle, you get large swings in temps, droughts, floods, etc. When in a cooling cycle, things even out and become stable. So come out of a stable period, into a warming period and it seems like things are changing.....and for the worse. As per him....it's normal. And likely as not, related to things way out of our control.......like increases and declines in solar activity......distances to sun.....as orbits are not round but elliptical.
So St. Louis flood? Without looking it up, who remembers the KC flood? When and where? It was a really big deal. Wipe out a famous section of town. Not that long ago.
I can remember some years like this one....when early on, it seemed like it rained almost every day. Not little sprinkles, but violet storms.......2 to 3 inches a night. A neighbor came by to bring us a pump to pump out our root cellar.........told us he had seen weather like that before.......would quit around June 10th. He was right. Other years when we had to feed green chopped corn in Aug, as pastures looked as bare as a parking lot.
So a few weeks back, local TV was reporting on hot weather. 102 actual.......but that was not the record. Record was 110.......set in 1910. Global warming cause that? Or the dust bowl years of the 30's?
Going back further than that, some of the warmest weather ever coincided with rise of Roman Empire.....and it's demise with a cold weather. On balance, warm is better than cold.
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Posted: 31 Jul 2022 at 10:16am |
My folks were in KC during the big MO River floods there in the fifties, levies were nowhere near to as tall as are now, and as such nowhere to as close to main channel as are now, Dad worked for Slick Airlines at the OLD KC Airport near downtown and had to go work on cleanup there as water dropped. Lived thru flood of 93 as well flood of 73 in St Charles MO Area, worked both as bagger, sand hauler, hauled fuel and oil to a duck club at Annada MO to keep it dried down during 93.
Here where I worked last is a defined Heat Island for scientific examinations and records, the cooling tower at the Nuke. Have watched radar approaches of storms where while we ran the plant storms would split or be redirected by the tower Plume, considerably warmer and more humid as many of the storm fronts.
Our Sun runs on 11 year extreme cycles from Severe to near Silent of activity, it also runs on 90 year(+/-) cycles with one that should conclude in 2030 to 2040. Those can be really extreme with such as the Maunder Minimum or the Younger Dryas Minimum.
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Posted: 01 Aug 2022 at 12:57pm |
The KC flood I mentioned was in 1977. They got about 12 inches of rain in one night and it sent a wall of water down Brush Creek on the south side of Country Club Plaza, and wiped out about half the Plaza in the process. A freak storm that to my knowledge hasn't happened since.
But then last year, about 80 miles east of there, small area of upland got hit with a 12 inch rain that sent so much water into the nearby creek it jumped the levee......then flowed east inside the levee, then over a cross levee, until it got to our farm, where it came to a halt.......stacking up 6 feet deep over 200 acres. And no.......flood insurance didn't come close to covering any of that.
Then there was the freak storm of 2011, in which a huge swath of Montana got 11 inches of rain one night........sending a wall of water down the MO River system. Corps got caught with their pants down and reservoirs full, so had no choice but to dump it. River ran bluff to bluff from Yankton to about KC......wiping out everything in it's path.....including RR tracks that ran from WY coal fields to east coast power plants. Panic City!!! Downstream of KC, ran flood stage for over a month, and almost all levees eventually failed from KC to Jefferson City.
Can remember a couple other storms.......4 inches on night.......7 the next.......North Central MO in Salt River basin.......sent a wall of water to Mark Twain Reservoir........which at one point was dumping 2X to 3X the amount of water from emergency spillways as any previous record discharge.......and that has been in place nearly 40 years.
Point to all this is these freak storms are a lot more common than we remember and are nothing new. What is new is agenda driven media hype.
And one more story..........during 93' flood, CBS sent a news crew to Hartsburg MO to do a bit on the flood. Found a bunch of farmers what had gathered at a local tavern.......got there in boats.......tied up to front porch side by side........like horses of old. Was told they would like to film those guys, but if they did, was wanting them to cry on camera if they could. Farmers told them to take a hike........it was just a flood. Same as every other flood. CBS then packed up and moved on..........but did find some folks down around Defiance......sure enough.......crocodile tears!
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Posted: 01 Aug 2022 at 1:10pm |
My Family has history with MO Floods, as noted Dad and Uncle in KC in 50s, Grandparents saw parts of East Alton Inundated in the 30s, prior to the early 1900s were no levee systems per say so every year was a flood year and crop lands re-fertilized for the next season. Mississippi would run errant at times, STL is built up on a bluff and Cahokia Mounds were so tall for a reason, and still exists.
Anyone dumb enough to consider Men will Control Weather or Rivers, Droughts or Floods needs medical help as delusional.
Natives of US SW, Anasazi of largest note had Huge Civilizations, dependent of crops, rains, ability to traverse large tracts of ground reasonably quickly with goods from other regions, all was for naught as weather on those people changed as well.
Nothing we are seeing is any different than those instances of the past, people just forgot they DID happen in the past and with far fewer people to witness or record.
Just depends on who decides what in history is important for the day. New Orleans is still Subsiding(Sinking) as are many parts of Florida and along the Gulf Coast, NOT Oceans Rising, Lands SINKING.
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Posted: 01 Aug 2022 at 4:13pm |
93 flood, I and three friends took my motor home and drove to Ft Madison area, a local church let us park in their lot, and ran a 110 ac line out to the camper for us. I had set this up earlier. We then went wherever they asked us to go and did whatever they asked us to do. I am here to tell you all, I never worked harder in my life! waterlogged furniture IS HEAVY!!! Mucking out a basement filled with about 8-10 inches of sediment and a couple inches of sewage water, carrying it out in 5 gallon buckets. etc I don't know what mud weighs, but I am here to tell it is heavy!
Alot of churches in the area worked together and ran a kitchen in the basement of one of the churches for all volunteers, during the day. We ate well! at least for lunch. We dined with, among others, prisoners from some prison(s?) that were permitted to volunteer, but they came with armed guards placed statically inside and out. There were VFD units, BoyScout troops, Church groups, etc all working in the area, from all over the USA. I spoke to one VFD from Minnesota, if I remember right, who told me they had set up a camp, and was revolving volunteer firemen in and out weekly, planning on 2-3 month on site.
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I am still confident of this;
I will see the goodness of the Lord in the land of the living.
Wait for the Lord;
be strong and take heart and wait for the Lord. Ps 27
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Tbone95
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Posted: 02 Aug 2022 at 7:01am |
modirt wrote:
There are a couple things going on. First is news media hype. News media is the propaganda arm of demonrat party.....so are hauling the water for the climate change agenda. If you hope to make drastic changes of the type they are trying to enact, you have to have some measure of public support. Pushing the agenda is part of that. And of course you have to follow the money. That could take a book unto itself.
Some years back, I sat through a presentation on weather cycles by an Iowa State expert. He showed us a pattern of long and short term weather cycles, going back hundreds of years. There are at least 3 of these "short term" cycles....like 75, 35 and 15. The appear in regular waves, almost like a sine wave. When in a warming cycle, you get large swings in temps, droughts, floods, etc. When in a cooling cycle, things even out and become stable. So come out of a stable period, into a warming period and it seems like things are changing.....and for the worse. As per him....it's normal. And likely as not, related to things way out of our control.......like increases and declines in solar activity......distances to sun.....as orbits are not round but elliptical.
So St. Louis flood? Without looking it up, who remembers the KC flood? When and where? It was a really big deal. Wipe out a famous section of town. Not that long ago.
I can remember some years like this one....when early on, it seemed like it rained almost every day. Not little sprinkles, but violet storms.......2 to 3 inches a night. A neighbor came by to bring us a pump to pump out our root cellar.........told us he had seen weather like that before.......would quit around June 10th. He was right. Other years when we had to feed green chopped corn in Aug, as pastures looked as bare as a parking lot.
So a few weeks back, local TV was reporting on hot weather. 102 actual.......but that was not the record. Record was 110.......set in 1910. Global warming cause that? Or the dust bowl years of the 30's?
Going back further than that, some of the warmest weather ever coincided with rise of Roman Empire.....and it's demise with a cold weather. On balance, warm is better than cold.
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100's of years.....Gee, why aren't any of the usual suspect ripping apart this statement? Did Hiawatha and Sitting Bull and Geronimo's great great great great grandfathers keep weather records?
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DMiller
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Posted: 02 Aug 2022 at 7:31am |
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Not setting any schedules to it but the Consensus among Solar Scientists is the 90 year cycle coming will be severe. Cold and wet where should last some 4-10 YEARS as to weak warm seasons and strong cold.
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