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desertjoe
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BOY,,you got that right about HF acid. The refinery I worked at for 33 years has an Alkylation Unit that uses large volumes of Extremely dangerous Hydroflouric Acid as a catalyist to boost the octane of gasoline. It is extremely dangerous as on release to atmosphere,,,it forms an extremely dangerous gas cloud. In that time I was there we had a few "releases" that caused several employees to lose body parts because it ATTACKS the bone untill you apply large amounts of calcium to slow down the chemical activity. Bad, Bad, Chit,,,,,
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Stan IL&TN
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Naturally I will be driving a Stanley Steamer.
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1957 WD45 dad's first AC
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DMiller
Orange Level Access Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: Hermann, Mo Points: 29672 |
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Faux Media is now reporting the cost of Electricity is going to rise, cost of Green Deal and they ACCEPT That!!!!!
Here the local news made notice that rates will POSSIBLY Double over next few years, they have got to be locked in their basements to not see where this is going.
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jaybmiller
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I'd love to see all the 'greenies' and AFFholes( AntiFossilFuellers) do as they say WE should do, for a month,just 30 continous days..... they'd sure change their colour PDQ !!!
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3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112
Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |
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DMiller
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When point that out to them they stammer and waddle away mumbling to themselves, typing on their iphones and driving away in their cars. The Greenies expect EVERYTHING to Remain the same just no fossil, except for their needs.
When was still working had a 'Greenie' was a Rad Chem Tech(Radiation Protection Worker) where would whine and complain of Nukes and Coal burners so asked WHY was he working there. "Best Money he could make" was the answer, so asked why stayed if so evil, he would never answer just flipped me off all the time. Was near his home one day, NOT Green at all, was close to dusk and he NOT married no kids, EVERY light in the house was on as appeared, Garage Door standing wide open(Cold day) car running/warming as he readied for work. Asked him later why all lights on and he stated Always left them all on, no need to turn off as he was paid well enough to leave on. What a typical Over Educated idiot. He retired to Costa Rica, they did not accept his request for dual status citizen as was openly Gay(Brought his 'Buddy'), so moved to Ecuador. Unhappy there with rolling blackouts and piddly poor health care so came back to states, died of colon cancer(dietary issue) and had refused to be 'Probed' colonoscopy inspected for years. Edited by DMiller - 08 Feb 2021 at 6:40am |
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DMiller
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Will add, as noted before, Older Brother's wife is a Libtard, always speaking of equality, equalizing incomes, giving the poor EVERYTHING, yet when asked to give up HER money or 'stuff' gets irate, as that is HER Money and Stuff, she "Earned It", the rest of the world needs to pay for the poor. Double Standard typical Libtard. Her daughter is WORSE Yet.
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steve(ill)
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WHen gas is $5. and it cost $200. a month for your house for electricity, i think the $8.00 an hour people are going to be VERY HAPPY with the GOVT and REGULATIONS they voted for !!
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desertjoe
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Yeah Dave,,,that's what always gets me bout them college educated ones. Our 25 year old Granddaughter is just exactly like that,,,!! Will talk for an hour about how conservatives "Got It All Wrong" and the need for "change",,? Now, she has landed a great job and is piling up some serious money, "For The Future" and that is what I always use against her. She will NOT accept the fact that HER money will also be the basis for the community POOL to provide for those that will not work for theirselves,,,fact IS ,,,she gets quite upset when you dare even mention it,,,,,,,just won't open up her mind to "such foolishness.
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jaybmiller
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WHen gas is $5. and it cost $200. a month for your house for electricity already that ,up here , north of the 49th..... welcome to MY World....
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Coke-in-MN
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https://www.facebook.com/richrebuilds/videos/259364028959341
Fellow has a TESLA S and instead of 200 miles on a charge in cold he has a 40 mile range , if he leaves it plugged into his 110 volt charger it just warms the batteries but the battery drain also continues as 110 runs heater only not charger . If he drives with heater on in car it's less miles so say use seat heater only and dress warm, needs a 220 volt charging station installed , brakes do not work when cold as regenerative brakes require warmth to work properly and in cold accidents happen when brakes fail , traction bad also in cold , tires need to be all at proper pressure or battery drains faster . The future of electric cars in cold climate - (don't leave you home until it's warm ) |
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Faith isn't a jump in the dark. It is a walk in the light. Faith is not guessing; it is knowing something.
"Challenges are what make life interesting; overcoming them is what makes life meaningful." |
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modirt
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Leaves one scratching his head as to what GM is thinking if they are serious about going all electric. What are their answers to all these readily apparent problems?
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steve(ill)
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you can PROMISE anything... as long as you have a 15 year LEAD TIME !
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Coke-in-MN
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their full idea of electric cars and charging off the grid is a short way to a fading future . The fuel cell and hydrogen power offers better advantages but is a fledgling idea that has not caught on as short sited see electric and batteries as the savior.
Separating hydrogen from water takes energy also and storing it as well as dispensing it is still a problem yet Iceland is using it for public transport and in government transportation. Ships have went from oars, sails, coal and wood burning steam, petroleum steam piston engines to turbines , now turbines and electric motors using gas turbines to produce electric to drive propellers . No easy answer yet the push is to outlaw one form of energy when the NEXT is not even proven yet and no matter the price as someone else will pay - YOU |
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Faith isn't a jump in the dark. It is a walk in the light. Faith is not guessing; it is knowing something.
"Challenges are what make life interesting; overcoming them is what makes life meaningful." |
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FREEDGUY
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Must have been a Canadian deal, I don't recall ever reading/hearing that "here"
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steve(ill)
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Whatever Happened to the 42-Volt Car?In a new column, PM's senior automotive editor tears into the industry with a gripeand an answer. BY MIKE ALLEN It's been just about 10 years since the auto industry was abuzz with the impending transition of automotive electrical systems from 12 volts to 42 volts. Didn't happen. Isn't gonna. Stop holding your breath. In the first place, why on earth would the car industry make such a global change, obsoleting trillions of dollars in 12-volt infrastructure and aftermarket accessories? Simple: Twelve wasn't cutting it anymore. Wiring harnesses were getting heavier and bulkier to run all the power accessories on board, such as heated seats and power windows. With 42 volts in the system, vehicles could use thinner-gauge wires and smaller motors because the higher voltage would mean reduced amperage--and amperage (or current) is what dictates the wire size, not the voltage. The bundle of wires that go from the car into the driver's door is a good example: Some luxury cars had more than 60 wires in a bundle as thick as your wrist, making the bundle unwieldy to install and prone to damage. Switching to 42 volts, however, could shrink the bulk of the bundle by half. So what went wrong here? The automotive industry found that switching off 42 volts wasn't that easy. Huh? A mechanical switch for, say, the window motor, has two metal contacts (well, a bunch, actually). When you press a switch, the two move into contact with each other and current flows to the motor. When you let go, they snap apart, interrupting the flow of electricity. But this doesn't happen instantaneously--the surface area of the metal contacts that touch doesn't go from something like 10 square millimeters to nothing in zero time. As the contacts move apart, the current density goes up in inverse proportion to the remaining area. And at the last instant of contact, the current density is high enough to melt and then vaporize the surface of the metal as a short electrical arc bridges the widening gap. Eventually, the contacts wear to the point that they don't work anymore. In a 12-volt system, this phenomenon was controlled by careful contact design and attention to the metallurgy of the contacts themselves. Forty-two volts draws a much longer, hotter arc, and vaporizes more metal. Edited by steve(ill) - 08 Feb 2021 at 7:32pm |
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Coke-in-MN
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Ah but the trace idea took over , using a PC board or flexible circuit on mallear substrate with copper trace or the idea of multi-signal to relay for power .
Place i worked did a Ford project where no wire all printed circuit few thousants thick CU trace on flexible backing , in fact was laminated sheeting so a multi layer flex carrying several different operations all fit onto a single strip - used a aluminum separator which could be exposed and chemical milled out easily leaving a copper bridge . |
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Faith isn't a jump in the dark. It is a walk in the light. Faith is not guessing; it is knowing something.
"Challenges are what make life interesting; overcoming them is what makes life meaningful." |
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DMiller
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Better yet we have Can-Bus systems working almost as fast as fiber optics
Low power tiny wire uses discrete signals rather than a constant voltage where can operate multiple items off single wires FO is next as have been explained is already being tested in class 8 trucks |
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jaybmiller
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re: Better yet we have Can-Bus systems working almost as fast as fiber optics hahahahaha... I needed a good laugh, thanks. Wife's 2019 Nissan , has Canbus for the 3-5 puters onboard. PITA. The factory trained Nissan techs couldn't figure out WHY the car could run and be driven AFTER the key was turned off and place in the kitchen ! Several trips to them,more pITA.... I figured it out TOLD them what to do('no, that's not it') ,eventually they DID as I suggested, problem solved. There's a huge underlying problem with Canbus,once you peel back the layers( like an onion),but 'they' keep adding layers and bodges....'bloatware'. Wanna have a giggle? Pull a steering wheel off a new car,one with a zillion buttons for 'this and that' on it. You'll see LOTS of wires when you only need ONE to do all those jobs. There's ZERO need for FO to control windows,door locks or USB ports...sigh, just a 'justify my job' deal.
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3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112
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Tbone95
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What does the future hold?
Whining. LOTS of whining.
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farmboy520
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I'd like to know what electrical engineer or supplier or whoever is talking these people into this. I don't think they could come up with this on their own.
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On the farm: Agco Allis 9695, 7060, 7010, R66, Farmall H, and Farmall F20 (Great Grandpa's)
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DMiller
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What I am awaiting is a Huge Solar Flare to erupt, hit our little rock with a Massive level energy burst and ALL this techno geek crap to fry in place. And YES that can happen.
Worst can happen is China explode a Neutron Weapon at 14,-30,000 feet over major metro areas, ALL electronics gear DIES, unresolvable.
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FREEDGUY
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You do realize that fossil fuels are a FINITE source of energy ??? To my knowledge, there's no more dinosaurs that are being bred and fed out in a feedlot anymore ??
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DMiller
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So are the materials to construct and operate wind or solar. Takes ENERGY and LUBRICANTS in all respects to produce then maintain them, lose one you have lost them all.
Wind Turbines blades are Fiberglass Epoxy produced, NON RECYCLABLE. As wear out REQUIRES hundreds of gallons, EACH BLADE, Petroleum products to produce the epoxy and Paints. HUNDREDS of gallons of Lubrication Oils in EACH Nacelle and Synthetics RELY of Petroleum Base Stocks. The Glass on Solar Cells is Mined Sand, refined and then produced into glass panels, NON RECYLCABLE once construct Solar Cell. Exotic Minerals INSIDE Cell to make energy along with Silver Cadmium Arsenic Etc. So ignorant in point of Petroleum in finite quantity.
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steve(ill)
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You do realize that fossil fuels are a FINITE source of energy ???
YEP.... about a 100 year supply ..........within 50 years we will probably develop something else to replace MOST of it.... but NOT TODAY.
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DMiller
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And NOT in 8-9 years. Average Wind Farm takes two years to Site Prep and two additional to build, add to that are QUICKLY running out of optimal ground to site these. LESS than 30% of Surface area USA is suitable for Wind Generation(Commercial) where MOST of that is already developed, less than 3/4 of US is suitable for Solar siting(Area, direction of Sun, time of Sunlight Year round) and less than 1/2 of that commercial rating.
Has been stated before, CANNOT Dump Fossil and swap to Renewables AS DO NOT EXIST in numbers quality or time to construct in time for need. DOUBLE existing demand IF put a Electric Vehicle in Every OTHER household across the USA, NOT Feasible. Reconstruct time/Money of Grid JUST to Supply Homes and rechargers DOES NOT ADD UP.
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klinemar
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Wind Tubines running continuously last less than 15 years. Lithium for batteries is mined in Australia and Chile where they are already having environmental problems due to the mining.I did read an article about using Hemp for batteries but still in the development stage. I heard the man who helped develop the electric car for GM speak and he said Hydrogen Fuel Cells are the future.
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Coke-in-MN
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WHY I am so old I remember PEAK COAL, PEAK OIL, the US will run out of oil by 1980 , gas lines when Jimmy C said turn down the heat and wear 2 sweaters .
Then with the wood shortage how will the industrial revolution survive without charcoal, without coke from coal, what happens with these new fangled iron horses and a tractor will never replace a good team of horses on a farm . Problem now is a CHIP SHORTAGE and it's so bad CHINA says they can't produce enough for their own auto industry and are going to curtail exports .. As it's in the MINUS numbers outside - electric vehicles can't make it back to charging stations in a 40 mile round trip . No worry there is enough hot air from politicians rubbing against each other and flaring temps to create heat for at least 4 years . (OR TWO when Mid terms come up) |
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Faith isn't a jump in the dark. It is a walk in the light. Faith is not guessing; it is knowing something.
"Challenges are what make life interesting; overcoming them is what makes life meaningful." |
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AC7060IL
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WARNING: these videos contain JD branded item.
Interesting concept. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gMaQq_vRaa8 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NUSQJJfcCrA |
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steve(ill)
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All of this BIG TALK about Solar and Batteries... and they have about 3% of the Electric Market !!! .......... NOT READY FOR PRIME TIME !
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