| Author |
 Topic Search  Topic Options
|
Sugarmaker 
Orange Level
Joined: 12 Jul 2013
Location: Albion PA
Points: 8435
|
 Post Options
 Thanks(0)
 Quote  Reply
 Topic: Wet lawns lead to drastic measures
Posted: 02 May 2020 at 8:56pm |
Folks, My friend Jim brought his spare JD272 finish mower over for me to use and work on to get it to where I could use it. I did fix a couple things, greased it up checked the gear box oil and mounted it to the D17. That and the Ford Jubilee are the only two with 3 point. Here are some pictures:
First off, Maggie just could not figure out why we were working on something yellow!
The drive shaft had been scored and did not slip at all. Got that strecthed out and cut off 6 inches of the outer tube. This allowed it to be able to slide a little better,
Patched a orange sized hole in the deck:
Took the guard off and cleaned the hickory nuts out.
Dog is still unclear as to what the heck we are doing!:)
So this actually did not fit this tractor to bad. It is a big mower.
I attempted to mow our yard today. Looks like overkill? Well it wasnt! I almost got the D17 stuck in the soft yard. Mower did pretty good. I think when the ground drys up this may actually work. Maybe a little better on the Ford?? Yes the owner wants to sell it. Trying to decide if I need another toy?:) Regards, Chris
Edited by Sugarmaker - 02 May 2020 at 8:58pm
|
|
D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet.
|
 |
|
Sponsored Links
|
|
|
HD6GTOM
Orange Level
Joined: 30 Nov 2009
Location: MADISON CO IA
Points: 6627
|
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 02 May 2020 at 9:19pm |
|
The dang squirrels and mice love to pack those dog gone nuts under those shields. Hope it works out for you.
|
|
Dakota Dave
Orange Level
Joined: 12 Sep 2009
Location: ND
Points: 3965
|
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 02 May 2020 at 11:42pm |
I have used my 6 ft buell farm King on my 190 it worked well. Had it on the CA it cut good but I couldn't lift it and steer. only thing when severely overpowered it's easy to turn the belt into smoke. 
Edited by Dakota Dave - 03 May 2020 at 10:02am
|
|
shameless dude
Orange Level
Joined: 10 Apr 2017
Location: east NE
Points: 13607
|
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 03 May 2020 at 12:25am |
|
one of the stockholders had one of them, he kept having troubles with the gauge wheels, and that was a noisy sucker, prolly outta the gearbox?
|
|
Bob D. (La)
Orange Level Access
Joined: 12 Sep 2009
Location: Louisiana
Points: 25529
|
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 03 May 2020 at 2:29am |
Oh No. Chris is slipping to the dark side. Call id you need to talk. LOL
If it works, go with it.
|
|
When you find yourself in a hole,PUT DOWN THE SHOVEL!!!
|
|
DiyDave
Orange Level Access
Joined: 11 Sep 2009
Location: Gambrills, MD
Points: 53407
|
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 03 May 2020 at 5:33am |
Wet lawns haven't bothered me since February of last year... 
[TUBE]s3aICIlu59A[/TUBE]
|
|
Source: Babylon Bee. Sponsored by BRAWNDO, its got what you need!
|
|
john(MI)
Orange Level
Joined: 12 Sep 2009
Location: SE MI
Points: 9262
|
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 03 May 2020 at 7:15am |
|
I pulled a 6' woods with my D14 for years. It was a real good match. The belt routing looks the same on that one as it did on my Woods.
|
|
D14, D17, 5020, 612H, CASE 446
|
|
DMiller
Orange Level Access
Joined: 14 Sep 2009
Location: Hermann, Mo
Points: 33218
|
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 03 May 2020 at 7:28am |
|
What I find ironic is if you remove the labels from that deck and the one under our Deere Mower Garden tractor they look IDENTICAL.
|
|
Sugarmaker
Orange Level
Joined: 12 Jul 2013
Location: Albion PA
Points: 8435
|
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 03 May 2020 at 7:36am |
Dave, That rear tracked machine is awesome! I had never seen one of those! That would work for me. Except I cant ride one. I have motion problems and would be sick in less than a hour!:) But that is a very neat machine! I may try this 272 on the Ford. We have a lot of ground to mow at our local tractor show grounds. I want to add a 6 inch offset pivot hitch on the back of this deck to allow the 5 foot Swisher tag to be off on the left side. Should make a nice mower set up. The Ford is a ton lighter than the D17. If it has the power to run it and the front end stays on the ground?
I will report on that set up. Right now I am trying to get the syrup wood cut and the Ford is doing the work on that too. The Allis team just sets there and watches!:)
I also have another grass cutting machine to work on. A pull behind brush hog (5 foot) that needs a lot of attention on the rusted out sheet metal. Not even sure its worth saving?
Regards, Chris
Edited by Sugarmaker - 03 May 2020 at 7:36am
|
|
D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet.
|
|
fixer1958
Orange Level
Joined: 13 Feb 2010
Location: kansas
Points: 2434
|
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 03 May 2020 at 7:56am |
|
Dave what kind of deck adjustment do those have? Looked at a few youtubes and it didn't say.
|
|
CrestonM
Orange Level
Joined: 08 Sep 2014
Location: Oklahoma
Points: 8452
|
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 03 May 2020 at 10:29am |
 Sugarmaker wrote:
Dave, I may try this 272 on the Ford. We have a lot of ground to mow at our local tractor show grounds. I want to add a 6 inch offset pivot hitch on the back of this deck to allow the 5 foot Swisher tag to be off on the left side. Should make a nice mower set up. The Ford is a ton lighter than the D17. If it has the power to run it and the front end stays on the ground? |
My vote is for the Ford. It's nimble, light, and will use 1/2 the fuel of the D17. I use a 6' Frontier finish mower on my 8N and it walks through 6" grass like there's nothing there. I generally mow in 2nd or 3rd gear, occasionally 1st if it's really thick. No front weights, so shouldn't be a problem for a Jubilee at all.
|
|
victoryallis
Orange Level
Joined: 15 Apr 2010
Location: Ludington mi
Points: 2878
|
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 03 May 2020 at 1:19pm |
|
Yup just make bigger ruts it’ll dry out eventually. Gator works great to drag zero turn out. Kinda like combining corn with a twd drive go in as far as you can drag it out.
|
|
8030 and 8050MFWD, 7580, 3 6080's, 160, 7060, 175, heirloom D17, Deere 8760
|
|
DiyDave
Orange Level Access
Joined: 11 Sep 2009
Location: Gambrills, MD
Points: 53407
|
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 03 May 2020 at 5:20pm |
fixer1958 wrote:
Dave what kind of deck adjustment do those have? Looked at a few youtubes and it didn't say.
|
Pedal for height raising is on right, smaller pedal, on left releases the transport lock (all the way up). Has a knob, on the left side, with numbers on it, about 2-1=2" to 7". I believe there is also a hyd lift kit, available. Mine has a 33HP kohler EFI on it, It likes gas more than my old Dixie Chopper 29 kohler EFI. Mine does not have the bush hog deck, just the regular fine cut, fixed blade deck.
|
|
Source: Babylon Bee. Sponsored by BRAWNDO, its got what you need!
|
|
Sugarmaker
Orange Level
Joined: 12 Jul 2013
Location: Albion PA
Points: 8435
|
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 04 May 2020 at 5:42am |
victoryallis wrote:
Yup just make bigger ruts it’ll dry out eventually. Gator works great to drag zero turn out. Kinda like combining corn with a twd drive go in as far as you can drag it out.
|
Victory, I was smiling when I read this! That was how my lawn was the other day. My regular Cub Cadet mower was buried in the yard by the orchard. I had to unhook the wing mowers and drag it out with the Ford. Just like playing in the sand box!
Folks, So yesterday was to be the trial for the Ford Julilee and the 272. Well they did not want to play together. The Ford has a stub spline extension that brings the PTO up to today's standard size. With that in place the PTO shaft of the 272 mower was too long to be able to be installed. I forgot to just try to lift the 272 with the Ford. I assume that will be ok.
So back on the D17 the mower went. I loaded it up and took it to our local tractor show grounds. It mowed very good. 3rd gear high range. 3/4 throttle. It did a good job even in some taller grass. I mowed a couple hours and the tractor used about 1/4 tank of fuel. I really liked how it mowed. Loved the D17 power in the heavy stuff, the power steering on the D17 in the corners was nice too. I was not worn out after the event like on the smaller IH Cub's with the 60 inch Woods decks. They bounce around a little more, not as easy to get on and off. So it was a good test of the 272. Seriously thinking of buying it. Friend wants $400 for it as is. Seems to be in good working order. I am not sure, but maybe I can get a PTO shaft replacement that is 6 inches shorter?? So it would fit the Ford? I did add a hitch on the back of the 272 so a Swisher could be hooked up too. did not get a chance to try that as this was the first time over the yard and it had a lot of tall grass that needed whacked down first.
Here is a picture as Matt (IH) and I were leaving the grounds last night. He loaded his D14 on my trailer for the trip home.
Regards, Chris
Edited by Sugarmaker - 04 May 2020 at 5:47am
|
|
D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet.
|
|
DanWi
Orange Level Access
Joined: 18 Sep 2009
Location: wttn
Points: 1901
|
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 04 May 2020 at 3:05pm |
|
Apparently fords at that time had either a small or standard 540pto My grandfathers later model side mount distributor 8N has a small pto. We have an early one that has a standard pto. Was told you can change shafts, I don' know what all changes just unbolt and pull out the old and slid the other one in? Using the adapter sucks.
|
|
DiyDave
Orange Level Access
Joined: 11 Sep 2009
Location: Gambrills, MD
Points: 53407
|
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 04 May 2020 at 5:37pm |
Chris, just go to agrisupply.com, They have the import drive shafts(eurocardin), to fit any HP range. If you don't see one short enough, just go the next size up, and cut to fit. Just remember to cut both halves the same amount... 
|
|
Source: Babylon Bee. Sponsored by BRAWNDO, its got what you need!
|
|
Sugarmaker
Orange Level
Joined: 12 Jul 2013
Location: Albion PA
Points: 8435
|
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 04 May 2020 at 6:43pm |
Dan, That is a great idea! I will look into that project. I see they have them for $150. I think that would be the correct way to remedy this long PTO issue. Also would be just a good thing to do to get the Jubilee up to today's standards too. Thanks for the suggestion. I will add that to my list of things to do!:)
I also thought about the shorter PTO shaft that is a option too. Regards, Chris
|
|
D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet.
|
|
Rick of HopeIN
Orange Level
Joined: 11 Sep 2009
Location: Hope, Indiana
Points: 1324
|
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 04 May 2020 at 7:02pm |
|
I have the same deck, mid mounted under my Deere 650. This winter I went thru the spindle bearings, one of them seized just as I was finishing last year and burned up the belt. Bearings are cheap but the belt, not so much. I used it last summer in some pretty heavy brush, really too high for a finish mower.
The problem with my setup is that I can only raise it to a little over 4 inches due to tractor frame.
Mine is a 60" so hopefully your gearbox is beefed up compared to mine. We had a two blade, pull type 7 foot Woods mower that ran behind D17 or Cockshutt 40. The belt drive makes em a lot more forgiving, probably easier on gearbox and PTO I suspect.
Edited by Rick of HopeIN - 04 May 2020 at 7:14pm
|
|
1951 B, 1937 WC, 1957 D14, -- Thanks and God Bless
|
|
Sugarmaker
Orange Level
Joined: 12 Jul 2013
Location: Albion PA
Points: 8435
|
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 04 May 2020 at 7:12pm |
Rick, The advantage as a three point hitch unit I can get it 2 feet or more off the ground on the D17. Looks like it would be very easy to clean the grass out and or maintain the blades. Both those issues are always problems for me on other mowers. Yes that belt looks expensive! Regards, I did not see grease zerks on the spindles?? Regards, Chris
|
|
D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet.
|
|
Rick of HopeIN
Orange Level
Joined: 11 Sep 2009
Location: Hope, Indiana
Points: 1324
|
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 04 May 2020 at 7:20pm |
|
When I had spindles apart I drilled each housing and added a grease zerk. I also cut away a lot of the belt guards under the tractor on mine because you could not keep trash from building up under them and they are under the tractor anyway.
Removing the deck from under tractor is not terrible but you have to do it for just about any major work. Even the 60" isn't very light. 3 pt setup would be nice.
Edited by Rick of HopeIN - 04 May 2020 at 7:21pm
|
|
1951 B, 1937 WC, 1957 D14, -- Thanks and God Bless
|
|
Sugarmaker
Orange Level
Joined: 12 Jul 2013
Location: Albion PA
Points: 8435
|
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 07 May 2020 at 6:50am |
Folks, Couple of shots of the D17 and the 272 groomer. This was at the tractor show grounds and the grass had not been mowed yet. some places were deep and other spots normal. This combination worked well in third high 3/4 throttle and had no problems cutting any of the spots. I mowed a couple hours last night. Between Matt (IH) and i we have most of it cut one time over. So I probably mowed about 5 hours with the 17 and it consumed a half tank of fuel. Then June tractor pull is officially cancelled. Hoping we can have a late July show?
Regards, Chris
Edited by Sugarmaker - 07 May 2020 at 6:52am
|
|
D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet.
|
|
Sugarmaker
Orange Level
Joined: 12 Jul 2013
Location: Albion PA
Points: 8435
|
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 10 May 2020 at 9:02pm |
Folks, Off color but on topic, The Jubilee had too long of a PTO with the small spline to larger std spline adapter. Found a new PTO shaft at 1-3/8 diameter for $50 had to make a gasket. But that was not too bad. The long PTO extension:
The old 1-1/8 spline was shot from the wear:
Extension was wallerd out too!
Pulled the PTO. Well I guess I have some water getting in the front cavity?
New PTO installed:
Hooked to the buzz saw:
A good project:
Thanks for checking in on me. Now to get the 272 groomer and the Jubilee together for a trial fit up. Regards, Chris
Edited by Sugarmaker - 12 May 2020 at 10:04pm
|
|
D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet.
|
|
Ted J
Orange Level
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
Location: La Crosse, WI
Points: 18923
|
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 11 May 2020 at 8:56pm |
|
Chris, you've got just TOOoooo many irons in the fire, but you're just like me, I can make it work. Lots of thought and zam, it's here. NICE!!
|
|
"Allis-Express"
19?? WC / 1941 C / 1952 CA / 1956 WD45 / 1957 WD45 / 1958 D-17
|
|
DanWi
Orange Level Access
Joined: 18 Sep 2009
Location: wttn
Points: 1901
|
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 11 May 2020 at 10:40pm |
|
Questions Just unbolt it and pull old out and new slides in? Does the piece on the back change for shaft size?
|
|
DanWi
Orange Level Access
Joined: 18 Sep 2009
Location: wttn
Points: 1901
|
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 12 May 2020 at 1:43pm |
|
Funny thing was when I suggested that it could be done I was just going by what someone else told me, had to do some online research last nite to find what was all involved. Where did you get that good of a deal on the new shaft or was it the shaft only? kits are a little more, that I could find.
|
|
Sugarmaker
Orange Level
Joined: 12 Jul 2013
Location: Albion PA
Points: 8435
|
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 12 May 2020 at 10:03pm |
Ted, Dan, Folks, Yes, just take out the four bolts, remove/ pull the shaft assembly. Shaft and rear bearing comes as one unit. They are usually from $70 to $150. This local guy had a couple that had a little surface rust and he did not have a gasket. In hind site best to drain the oil first. I ended up doing that after the fact and replaced tranny 5 quarts, hyd 8 Plus quarts, and rear end 8 quarts. I choose to use same oil in all three. Was a good upgrade and the tranny fluid needed changed. It set out a lot and must have got some water in the tranny? Regards, Chris
Edited by Sugarmaker - 12 May 2020 at 10:04pm
|
|
D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet.
|
|
