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JBergie 
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Posted: 26 Jan 2019 at 8:25am |
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You'd think this would be an easy thing to find out there on the 'net, or even historical posts.....but I can't come up with a solid answer yet. What's the weight (ballasted and not) of a D17 (s4) with a 500 series loader? (I think it's a 414, but will err on the side of caution and say 500 series)
I'm trying to figure out a trailer situation for this set-up and am wondering if a standard 'car hauler' will do.
Tractordata has the ballasted weight at 9,395, but no additional loader data. (I'll have to talk to Pete about that....I've known him for +20 years) Most of the dually haulers I'm finding run anywhere between 7k to 10k. So maybe a skidsteer trailer would be better(?)
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TimNearFortWorth
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Posted: 26 Jan 2019 at 10:07am |
Shipping wt. for Gas 17 in Terry dean's handbook shows 5,300, Diesel @ 5,500 with that obviously unballasted. Loader does not weigh much and I would add 1500# including material bucket to be safe.
I use a 14K gross (10K load) rated gooseneck to move my unballasted 17IV's, gas and diesel and neither have a loader. Just me but I try to never go past 70-80% load rating on any trailers with tractors and the closest I've come is a 185 ballasted, sure knew that one was back there!
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Posted: 26 Jan 2019 at 10:37am |
Remembered I had Ops Instruction manuals for both the 400 and 500 Series Loaders but no weights are given for the loaders. I did bring a complete 500 Series (no front pump included) from KS, on a 3K single axle trailer including the large material bucket and it filled my small trailer nicely. Pulled it with a new 2015 V-6 Dbl Cab Ford and even that little POS hardly knew it was back there so 1500# total including bucket should cover that.
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Posted: 26 Jan 2019 at 2:25pm |
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ThanksTim! I'll need to go look at my GVW for the truck too (2015 Tundra DC SR5 4x4)(just because it says "10,000 lb towing capacity" doesnt necessarily mean it should)
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Posted: 26 Jan 2019 at 5:14pm |
A lot depends on how much CaCL is in your tires and the tire size. An 18.4 tire will hold quite a bit more liquid than a 16.9.
I am guessing it would be somewhere around 9,000 lbs (+/-).
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Posted: 26 Jan 2019 at 7:39pm |
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One thing to remember on trailers is a 10k won't haul 10k. You need to take the trailer weight off the total. So a 10k trailer that weighs 2k can only haul 8k. So is there a D17 coming to Clark Cty?
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Posted: 26 Jan 2019 at 7:56pm |
A 7K car hauler ain't enough to haul the 17 without ballast or loader, without going over capacity.At least not the one I had that was heavy built but had 3500 lbs axles. As said, that 7K rating is for the trailer loaded. I hauled my 45 with 14.9's ballasted and a 53 SC plow before, but I'm sure I was over 7K on the trailer.
Edited by CTuckerNWIL - 26 Jan 2019 at 7:57pm
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Posted: 26 Jan 2019 at 8:16pm |
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Yea, this is exactly what I'm weighing (no pun intended); the last thing I want is to explain to a highway patrol, then my insurance company why I was overloaded!
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Posted: 26 Jan 2019 at 10:11pm |
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Hauled mine on a 7000lb car hauler, tires ballasted but I hauled the loader, subframe and bucket on a separate trailer with another truck. Pulled it about 75 miles with a F-350 diesel, kept it around 55 and no problems.
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Posted: 27 Jan 2019 at 10:14am |
If the Tundra 4x4 is rated for it, IF the trailer is rated for that LOAD Weight, if the truck AND trailer brake systems are up to snuff, IMO you are pushing it being winter unless it is short distance. When you mention car hauler, don't even think of renting a U-Haul or like kind as it won't fit, even without a loader. D15II with 2-position wheels and unballasted 14.9's on the rears some years back left just enough room to fold the flip up fenders up and latch the rubber keepers in some tension. Rail type trailer and tractor wheels were in outer position. After using one to go 13 hrs. to pick up that tractor, a friend who had picked up a U-Haul franchise shortly after explained just how lucky I was. They ask for the vehicle type/year to be hauled for a reason (I knew this and claimed a 67 Bronco with no engine), they have data on what most cars/trucks weigh. More importantly, no spare given with U-Haul trailers. If you have a flat or breakdown, they dispatch their co. man to come out and get you going and if the loaded vehicle does not match with what he finds in the rental agreement, they leave you there with the flat and unhook you. They then get the unit sorted (you are not allowed to unload) and tow it off as it is now theirs to dispose of, plus all disposal and legal fees against you.
I would want a heavy duty car hauler with solid decking and very good brakes/tires/hitch on truck and trailer to move a D17 w/ loader anything more than 10 miles, again, especially in winter. Have seen a number in wrecks over the years and it usually comes down to stopping, not just hauling a load because you can get it loaded. More than once I have hired someone else to haul when I just don't want to push my 2500HD/14K Low Deck gooseneck and it was worth every penny paid.
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Posted: 28 Jan 2019 at 2:36pm |
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I've been hauling my un weighted D17D with a 3 bottom plow on an H&H Speed Loader with 2 3500lb axles. I've never scaled it, but I'm quite sure I'm running very close to max capacity. I always load it heavy on the tongue just to take some weight off the trailer wheels.
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Posted: 28 Jan 2019 at 5:50pm |
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the 17 with loader can't be more then 6500 ' 6600 . a wd45 with 2 set's wheel weights tires loaded with 2 100's on front plus wide front end is only 4500' with 1\2 tank of gas.
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Posted: 28 Jan 2019 at 6:06pm |
So why does Tractor Data say the ballasted weight of a D-17 is 9395 lbs?
My WD-45 with narrow front weighs 3300 lbs with empty tires, no weights, hydraulic cylinders removed and platform removed. I don't see how yours can weigh 4500 with loaded tires and weights.
Plus, there is a lot of difference in a WD-45 and a D-17, especially in the Series 3 & 4.
Edited by WF owner - 28 Jan 2019 at 6:11pm
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Posted: 28 Jan 2019 at 6:20pm |
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don't know but why are the guys pulling d17 tractors each week end in 6000 pound class with 10 or 12 IH 100's hanging all over the tractor ' they run each an every one over the scale. best to run it over the scale at the elevator' then he will know ' for sure. plus i been pulling tractors over 40 years
Edited by dawntreader74 - 28 Jan 2019 at 6:26pm
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Posted: 28 Jan 2019 at 6:45pm |
A lot of those guys run light front ends and have stripped off every ounce they can to make the lighter class. I have a D-17 Series 1 (there really isn't such a thing as a Series 1 - they are just plain D-17's) that I have stripped down, but I can't get it down light enough for me to make the 4500 lb class.
I forgot to mention that the rock shaft and PTO have been removed from my WD-45, too.
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Posted: 28 Jan 2019 at 9:15pm |
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Tractor data says 4,670 lbs operating weight, that’s without fluid so add about 1200-1400 lbs depending on tire size and what’s used for the fluid. More than likely the 9350 pounds fully ballasted weight is fluid, rear rim weights, front rim weights, frame rail weights and the stacked weights on the front all together. I would guess most tractors don’t have all those weights so most weigh around 6000-6500 pounds, but hey that’s just my two cents.
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