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    Posted: 31 Jul 2020 at 8:05pm
Is there a pond friendly herbicide which you can kill grass/weeds on bank waterline that is safe for fish? Weed eater getting old. Where to buy? TIA
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just another name for Generic ROUNDUP.
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Rodeo is aquatic certified, last I checked Roundup isn't. Granted they are both glyphosate, but don't get caught using the wrong one.
I have both my private and commercial applicators licenses. Before I transferred Dept's, I used to apply Rodeo as part of my job.
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Originally posted by truckerfarmer truckerfarmer wrote:

Rodeo is aquatic certified, last I checked Roundup isn't. Granted they are both glyphosate, but don't get caught using the wrong one.
I have both my private and commercial applicators licenses. Before I transferred Dept's, I used to apply Rodeo as part of my job.

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   Good one Lou.
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I was trying to read the label info but kept going in circles....so with Rodeo I should be able to kill the grass/weeds at the water line with out causing undue damage to fish? The last foot and change is close as I care to get with the mower. Grand kids fish it and we keep it mowed up like a resort but that edge is annoying.
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Check out Jones Fish, they have great literature to help you out. Tracy
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Ben using round up to do that job for years.
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other than Rodeo being 25% stronger, i dont see any difference ??? ... but im sure it cost twice as much.

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Wink Government official speak:  it is the same, Confused BUT DIFFERENT. The difference is one company payed to do more testing than the other. After testing nothing bad happened to the fish. But by the "legalize" of a label you cannot spray the untested brand legally to near water or fish. As you can only use a pesticide the way the label reads.



Another example is dicamba, label us to say you could spray pasture and leave the cattle in the field. In the last few years some say remove the beef cattle 7 days and lactating dairy cows 30 days. Same product but for more legal protection for manufacturer they changed the label.

Lord have mercy on you if you tick off a eco freak and they can prove you did not do what the label on the product you used said to do. In the state I live in the county agricultural commissioner can have your crop destroyed and send you the bill for tilling it under. Even in crazy vill I have not heard of it being done but a time or 2. 

The one I remember is a watermelon crop and it was spray with a product legal to use on other fresh vegetables and melons. But was not labelled for watermelons. For what ever reason people got sick from eating these melons. With testing the product was found on the melons. The grower was bankrupt by the time it was over. In this case there was a reason watermelons where not on the label. What was assumed would not hurt anything in this case did.  Most if not all of us that use pesticides have not followed the label to the letter of the law and got away with it. But that 1 in a billion chance is out there and can get you.
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Originally posted by steve(ill) steve(ill) wrote:

other than Rodeo being 25% stronger, i dont see any difference ??? ... but im sure it cost twice as much.

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I suspect that rodeo uses a different isomer of the same chemical, glyphosate.

Better watch out, if you use roundup, 3 shysters in a room with a fax machine, calling themselves the world health organization, will drum up fish for clients, and sue you into the poorhouse...Wink

On edit, when I asked google, what is the difference between rodeo and roundup herbicides?  Here is google's answer:

Roundup contains the surfactant whereas Rodeo needs to have the surfactant added in a second step. ... Rodeo = Roundup, except for the surfactant in the Roundup. The Rodeo must be combined with a surfactant if sprayed onto leaves so the herbicide will transfer into the plant.WinkWink


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I looked it up and the prices are somewhat comparable.. I was suprised. You can get a 2.5 gallon jug of RODEO or ROUNDUP for about $65. if you look around.. There are GENERIC ROUNDUP jugs at some places for $40. ..... but you have to look around.
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Can always just go to a local coop/chemical dealer or a farmer and get some 4# glyphosate for about $10 a gal or some 6# for about $14.You need no pesticide license to buy Round up it's completely useless and harmless when it hits either ground or water.

All herbicides are labeled to spray up to waters edge. Wink
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I suggest you go read the label again.
Roundup contains a surfactant that is not legal for use around bodies of water.

Edited by truckerfarmer - 01 Aug 2020 at 10:47pm
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3.2 Environmental Hazards
Do not apply directly to water, to areas where surface water is present or tointertidal areas below the mean high water mark. Do not contaminate water whencleaning equipment or disposing of equipment washwaters.

Sensitive Areas
The product should only be applied when the potential for drift to adjacentsensitiveareas (e.g., residential areas, bodies of water, known habitat for threatened orendangered species, non-target crops) is minimal (e.g., when wind is blowingaway from the sensitive areas).Avoid direct application to any body of water.



Here's the best I can do but if you can point to where it can't be sprayed "around bodies of water" I will stand corrected. Maybe you didn't understand that I said up to the water?

Roundup is legal to spray around bodies of water just not in the water or where a tide rises too.


Edited by Kansas99 - 01 Aug 2020 at 11:19pm
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Those are what I was referring to, dealing with drift potential and high water mark.
In my Commercial Applicators License recertification classes they mention 50' buffer zones. Some of this might carry of from my different certifications. Non-cropland (parks,trails,, sports field, ect..), right of ways (road ditches, shoulders, medians, ect...)

Seeing as the cost isn't much different, I would recommend using the a chemical that is labeled for. Around hear you can buy it off the shelf.

I would NEVER tell someone to go off label. Doing so could bite you in the rear someday. That is what caused the problems with Dicamba. We have an effective form of weed control, but a few people decided they could get by with doing off label applications, and ruined it for the rest of us.

Edited by truckerfarmer - 02 Aug 2020 at 8:21am
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legal ..shhmegal....

I bet  99% of what's 'on the label' is to protect the MFRs azzez......
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I'd use a propane torch and burn the weeds.
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Ashes work for some weeds.

So does charcoal...very safe!
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Careful killing bank plants. If heavy winds could white-cap waves on your pond high enough that they may erode its banks, then you might wish that you’d just sickle mowed it instead?
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I don't have a bar mower or a batwing....was teasing the wife she should get one of those propane burners to kill her weeds around the home instead of constantly spraying...could kill 2 birds....
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