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WD45 Jumping Out of Gear Fix Question |
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leeave96 ![]() Bronze Level ![]() Joined: 20 Oct 2015 Location: VA Points: 26 |
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Spent a little time tonight reading the sticky on 3rd gear jumping out of gear.
Replacing gears to fix worn down gears to fix the problem sounds pretty expensive, but if one avoids grinding gears, it's a long term fix - understood. Question is - is the problem of jumping put of gear totally fixed? Reason I ask is we have hills and while I really like the WD45, I am concerned from a safety standpoint with my kids driving, the tractor jumping out of gear - especially when being pushed with a baler or wagon with some hay on it. When you replace these gears, how close to factory original is the tranny? Out of the box, would a new WD45 back in the day jump out of gear for any reason or was it only after operator abuse grinding gears that the problem arises? On another note, if you rebuild/refurb the brakes, will they slide the tires or are brakes just a weak point on the WD45 - like my old MF50? I'm considering other tractors in leu of the WD45 because of the jumping out of gear deal - but as I mentioned above, really like this design tractor for the era they were made and would like to add one to my fleet. Any info is much appreciated. Thanks! Bill |
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MACK ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 17 Nov 2009 Points: 7664 |
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Need to also replace couppler as well.
I never thought brakes were a weak point on a WD45. If they are properly adjusted they will slide the wheels. Alot of the time the stop on back shoe is not adjusted . MACK
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DougS ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 03 Nov 2011 Location: Iowa Points: 2490 |
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I drove a 15 year old WD when I was a whippersnapper and I don't recall having it ever jump out of gear. Ask Ted what the hills are like in Western Wisconsin.
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Dmpaul89 ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 06 Mar 2013 Location: Edwardsville,IL Points: 1689 |
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Never seen a wd jump out of gear. Its the D series that is affected. And they dont usually pop out under load even if bad they "float" out of gear like if you crest a hill and theres a second of no load on the gears. Now I did have a d14 that was so bad the gear would pop out as soon as you let out the clutch taking off. But I wouldnt worry about it. And my wd brakes are they best working brakes out of any tractor I have.
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JimIA ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Castalia Iowa Points: 1983 |
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WDs with the strait shift lever have a sliding gear transmission which did not have the jumping out of gear problem. The late WDs and WD45s had the collar shift transmission which can jump out of gear caused mainly by grinding of gears over an amount of time.
I would check how bad the gears look and make sure that the gears do not have too much slop in between them that could cause them to jump out. If the gears do not look too bad you can change the detent location allowing the fork to shift the collar farther onto the gear. Jim
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An open eye is much more observant than an open mouth
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leeave96 ![]() Bronze Level ![]() Joined: 20 Oct 2015 Location: VA Points: 26 |
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Glad I asked this question. Learned something new with regards to the sliding gear tranny on the WD.
I'm guessing that with the similarities between the engine in the WD and WD45, that if one of these WD tractors had an engine rebuild, it got the WD45 pistons and with it similar/same power (maybe this was not physically possible) ? If the WD's engine was rebuilt with the increased power of the WD45, could the sliding gear tranny withstand the additional load without premature wear or worse - outright failing? Is the bottom line that the sliding gear transmission not going to pop out of gear going down hill with a load behind like the later helical cut transmissions? Thanks again for the info. Bill |
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DougG ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 20 Sep 2009 Location: Mo Points: 8266 |
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A new 200 would jump out of gear test driving it around the dealers lot
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DougS ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 03 Nov 2011 Location: Iowa Points: 2490 |
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I've never heard of a WD or WD-45 transmission or power train failing. I'd say that a WD transmission could handle the extra power of a '45 engine. I believe the '45 had extra plates in the hand clutch, but that is the only thing they added. |
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B26240 ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 21 Nov 2009 Location: mn Points: 3860 |
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As far as the brakes go when they are in good shape they work great. and yes you should be able to slide the wheels. The down side as far as I am concerned is when you need to install new brakes, that can become a full day's job even for an experienced wrench turner.
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Stan IL&TN ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Location: Elvis Land Points: 6730 |
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My WD45 has never poped out of gear and has neven been apart other than for inspection. It was a well used tractor by my dad. If treated well it will last a lifetime, abused and it will be short lived. After replacing the brake shoes I can easily lock both rear wheels. Replacing the brake shoes is not that hard as long as you don't think you need to get it done ASAP. Mine took me a week to do of heating, oiling, heating, oiling and more heating.
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1957 WD45 dad's first AC
1968 one-seventy 1956 F40 Ferguson |
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Don(MO) ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Bates City MO. Points: 6862 |
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First off guys we are talking about the WD45 with the last of tractors rolling off the line in 1957 and it's 2015 now, so you look back at all color tractors that age and they have had and might have again trans trouble. Next just installing a set of 226 pistons in a 201 will not gain HP but will lower the HP, it takes more than just pistons to get more horse power. I work on AC tractors day in and day out and can tell you fist hand I do less trans work and more engine work on them. Yes there's trans out running around with trouble but in my shop right now I have three WD45, one WD with a bent shifter trans, and a D19 and of them have good trans in them, In my barn I own three WD45's and a D19 with good trans in them too and have owned one D19 with gear trouble, so I think if you look around and do your home-work you will find a lot of good WD45 tractors still able to work on hills and not jump out of gear.
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3 WD45's with power steering,G,D15 fork lift,D19, W-Speed Patrol, "A" Gleaner with a 330 corn head,"66" combine,roto-baler, and lots of Snap Coupler implements to make them work for their keep.
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Dusty MI ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Location: Charlotte, Mi Points: 5058 |
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When we first got our new late model WD, with the curved transmission lever, sometimes it would get stuck in gear, 1st I think.
The dealer fixed it. I don't know what was wrong with it, I was only 11 or 12 then. Dusty
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leeave96 ![]() Bronze Level ![]() Joined: 20 Oct 2015 Location: VA Points: 26 |
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Thanks again everyone - I appreciate your replies!!!!!!!
Bill
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Bill Long ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Bel Air, MD Points: 4556 |
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Not to belabor the problem but one fix that I have not noted is that in the transmission main snap ring came in different thicknesses. Sometimes we could add a thicker snap ring to take up the gear end play. Sometimes that solved the problem.
Remember I am talking about the 50's and the tractors were very new then. Now with age that may not work. Also, if you grind the gears you are going to get rounded gear lugs and collars that will cause the popping. Good Luck! Bill Long |
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Ted J ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 05 Jul 2010 Location: La Crosse, WI Points: 18923 |
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We call them bluffs, but a lot of people who see them call them mountains. You go STRAIGHT UP or DOWN, NEVER SIDEWAYS!! You can hardly stand on them. NOT fun at all. If you want to check out a tractor to buy and want to see if it slips out of gear, just get it going down hill at full throttle and then push the throttle closed. If it slips, you can fix it pretty easily, or you can just pass on that tractor. |
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