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WD & 45 Engine Differances

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    Posted: 20 Aug 2015 at 1:09am
What are all the difference's that set the 45 Engine apart from the WD and was there really a hybrid tractor in late 1953 & 1954?  I own one with "53" ser# (which should make it a WD ) but it has a 45 trany ,  4 bolt wide front axle  & the wider rear wheels for 14.9X28 tires.  Yet the engine has a plate on the side of it!!!  I"ve been told some came that way ,even with a 45 crank in the old block.   Any imput from the older section Thanks
 
 
 
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The plate on the side of the motor is a WD motor, in the later part of 1952 they started with the newer constant mesh trans, ( curved shifter) pre 52s the had the older sliding gear ( straight shifter). The four bolt wide front didn't come out until late 55 I believe when they came out with the 45 diesel . So someone has changed yours out.
AC's 75' 7040, 64' D-17S4, 55'WD-45, 54' WD-45, 53' WD-45, 53' WD, 52' CA, 36' WC. IH 656. Deere's 38' A, and 47' A
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Josh Day Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Aug 2015 at 5:34am
I think (I need to read again) but I thought that there were a few 45s made that had WDs ser# on them in late 53 as they were switching over.
AC's 75' 7040, 64' D-17S4, 55'WD-45, 54' WD-45, 53' WD-45, 53' WD, 52' CA, 36' WC. IH 656. Deere's 38' A, and 47' A
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Serial 127007 was when the curved shifter and constant mesh transmission went in to production. I forget the first serial for WD45 but it was midvto late 1953. The 4 bolt wide front someone added because they didn't come out until 55 like stated above to accommodate the weight I'd the 45 diesel.
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1934 WC254
1945 WF
1945 WC135755
1951 WD68085
1953 WD45-150217
1957 WD45D-230744D
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As far as the engine itself, you can easily drop a 45 crank in the 201 block, put 45 pistons in and have basically a 45 engine. Without checking your crankshaft, there is no way of knowing what you have. All things can be altered as your wide front has been.
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WC, WD and WF had the 3" head and were 201 cubic inch. WD-45 had the 4" head, along with being 226 cubic inch.

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   WOW ,thanks for the help guys!  Just a little follow up as I said the Ser# is 134825 which should make it a 1953 & it has aside plate on the block.  But it has a 4" head, a 45 manifold & carb & late model cast dist. housing.  Yet there is no bypass hose from the water pump to the hesd.  If it weren't for the block plate & Ser# the entire rest of the tractor has 45 charactoristics grill shutters, trany,fender height,wheel width, etc.   Maybe it's a change over hybrid, or some old farmer  (like me) spent all his extra time out in the shop up dating his Equipment.  Keeps me out trouble with the wife & out of the bars!  THanks ;  Housemover
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Pretty sure the shutters were a WD only thing.  The 45's don't even have the hole in the hood for them.  My WD has a 45 crank, carb, air cleaner, and head.  Over 60 years of replacing makes Charlie 100% right.  No telling what is in one till you tear it down.
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Late model WD's had the taller WD-45 cylinder head from the Factory and no bypass hose was used on the thermostat. This happened at WD engine s/n 289,000 & up. Your chassis s/n is 134,825 which makes it a 1953 model WD (bent gearshift/constant mesh trans gears), not a WD-45, so it should have a WD block in it. WD-45's started at s/n 146,607 and went on to 235,000 or so. The fact that it has a WD45 manifold is of no consequence, as that is what is commonly available and directly replaces a WD manifold. It would be interesting to see which carburetor and air cleaner it has.....WD45's are different than a WD.
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Actually the 4" head came out on the WD in mid 51.

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  Started rewireing today for 12 Volt on the 53 WD.  Going to leave the coil & starter alone (puting a resistor on the coil).  Going to leave it "positive ground" like my D-15 II & D-17 IV .  But can"t deside wether or not to use a generator or alternator But I sure hope to not alter the lower part of the radiator cowl!  Has any of you been through this process?  Thanks ;  Housemover
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Positive ground alternators have been made but are uncommon. Alternators came into use after the SAE standard demanded negative ground as did solid state radios. I have a very large Leece-Neville that can be used either polarity but the common Delcos won't turn up positive ground though the Delco manual includes them.

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If you're interested in form, go with positive ground and use a generator. If you're interested in function, go with negative ground and use an alternator. If you change the polarity remember to swap the ammeter and coil leads.

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  Doug,  I under stand that the ammeter would read wrong, but why the coil leads?  Housemover
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Originally posted by housemover housemover wrote:

Doug,  I under stand that the ammeter would read wrong, but why the coil leads?  Housemover

You want the spark to jump from the inner electrode to the outer electrode of the spark plug. The inner electrode is made of a metal that is less likely to erode. If you don't switch the coil polarity the spark will jump backward, eroding the outer electrode.

Edit: You could purchase double platinum spark plugs and it won't matter, but why spend the extra $$ when you don't have to?


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If you change battery polarity, ammeter polarity and you must also change the coil polarity. If you don't change the coil, the ignition point life is drastically reduced.
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