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housemover ![]() Bronze Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 May 2012 Location: Belleville, Ks Points: 103 |
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What are all the difference's that set the 45 Engine apart from the WD and was there really a hybrid tractor in late 1953 & 1954? I own one with "53" ser# (which should make it a WD ) but it has a 45 trany , 4 bolt wide front axle & the wider rear wheels for 14.9X28 tires. Yet the engine has a plate on the side of it!!! I"ve been told some came that way ,even with a 45 crank in the old block. Any imput from the older section Thanks
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Josh Day ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 29 Nov 2010 Location: Indiana Points: 3427 |
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The plate on the side of the motor is a WD motor, in the later part of 1952 they started with the newer constant mesh trans, ( curved shifter) pre 52s the had the older sliding gear ( straight shifter). The four bolt wide front didn't come out until late 55 I believe when they came out with the 45 diesel . So someone has changed yours out.
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AC's 75' 7040, 64' D-17S4, 55'WD-45, 54' WD-45, 53' WD-45, 53' WD, 52' CA, 36' WC. IH 656. Deere's 38' A, and 47' A
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Josh Day ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 29 Nov 2010 Location: Indiana Points: 3427 |
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I think (I need to read again) but I thought that there were a few 45s made that had WDs ser# on them in late 53 as they were switching over.
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AC's 75' 7040, 64' D-17S4, 55'WD-45, 54' WD-45, 53' WD-45, 53' WD, 52' CA, 36' WC. IH 656. Deere's 38' A, and 47' A
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stu(ON) ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Points: 377 |
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Obviously not my research:
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BennyLumpkin ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 22 Mar 2010 Location: Centre Hall, PA Points: 2657 |
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Serial 127007 was when the curved shifter and constant mesh transmission went in to production. I forget the first serial for WD45 but it was midvto late 1953. The 4 bolt wide front someone added because they didn't come out until 55 like stated above to accommodate the weight I'd the 45 diesel.
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1934 WC254 1945 WF 1945 WC135755 1951 WD68085 1953 WD45-150217 1957 WD45D-230744D B110 |
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CTuckerNWIL ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: NW Illinois Points: 22824 |
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As far as the engine itself, you can easily drop a 45 crank in the 201 block, put 45 pistons in and have basically a 45 engine. Without checking your crankshaft, there is no way of knowing what you have. All things can be altered as your wide front has been.
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Lena 1935 WC12xxx, Willie 1951 CA6xx Dad bought new, 1954WD45 PS, 1960 D17 NF |
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WF owner ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 12 May 2013 Location: Bombay NY Points: 4979 |
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WC, WD and WF had the 3" head and were 201 cubic inch. WD-45 had the 4" head, along with being 226 cubic inch.
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housemover ![]() Bronze Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 May 2012 Location: Belleville, Ks Points: 103 |
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WOW ,thanks for the help guys! Just a little follow up as I said the Ser# is 134825 which should make it a 1953 & it has aside plate on the block. But it has a 4" head, a 45 manifold & carb & late model cast dist. housing. Yet there is no bypass hose from the water pump to the hesd. If it weren't for the block plate & Ser# the entire rest of the tractor has 45 charactoristics grill shutters, trany,fender height,wheel width, etc. Maybe it's a change over hybrid, or some old farmer (like me) spent all his extra time out in the shop up dating his Equipment. Keeps me out trouble with the wife & out of the bars! THanks ; Housemover
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AaronSEIA ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Mt Pleasant, IA Points: 2569 |
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Pretty sure the shutters were a WD only thing. The 45's don't even have the hole in the hood for them. My WD has a 45 crank, carb, air cleaner, and head. Over 60 years of replacing makes Charlie 100% right. No telling what is in one till you tear it down.
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DrAllis ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Points: 21723 |
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Late model WD's had the taller WD-45 cylinder head from the Factory and no bypass hose was used on the thermostat. This happened at WD engine s/n 289,000 & up. Your chassis s/n is 134,825 which makes it a 1953 model WD (bent gearshift/constant mesh trans gears), not a WD-45, so it should have a WD block in it. WD-45's started at s/n 146,607 and went on to 235,000 or so. The fact that it has a WD45 manifold is of no consequence, as that is what is commonly available and directly replaces a WD manifold. It would be interesting to see which carburetor and air cleaner it has.....WD45's are different than a WD.
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TedBuiskerN.IL. ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Davis, IL. Points: 1959 |
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Actually the 4" head came out on the WD in mid 51.
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Most problems can be solved with the proper application of high explosives.
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housemover ![]() Bronze Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 May 2012 Location: Belleville, Ks Points: 103 |
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Started rewireing today for 12 Volt on the 53 WD. Going to leave the coil & starter alone (puting a resistor on the coil). Going to leave it "positive ground" like my D-15 II & D-17 IV . But can"t deside wether or not to use a generator or alternator But I sure hope to not alter the lower part of the radiator cowl! Has any of you been through this process? Thanks ; Housemover
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Gerald J. ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Hamilton Co, IA Points: 5636 |
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Positive ground alternators have been made but are uncommon. Alternators came into use after the SAE standard demanded negative ground as did solid state radios. I have a very large Leece-Neville that can be used either polarity but the common Delcos won't turn up positive ground though the Delco manual includes them.
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DougS ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 03 Nov 2011 Location: Iowa Points: 2490 |
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If you're interested in form, go with positive ground and use a generator. If you're interested in function, go with negative ground and use an alternator. If you change the polarity remember to swap the ammeter and coil leads.
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housemover ![]() Bronze Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 May 2012 Location: Belleville, Ks Points: 103 |
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Doug, I under stand that the ammeter would read wrong, but why the coil leads? Housemover
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DougS ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 03 Nov 2011 Location: Iowa Points: 2490 |
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You want the spark to jump from the inner electrode to the outer electrode of the spark plug. The inner electrode is made of a metal that is less likely to erode. If you don't switch the coil polarity the spark will jump backward, eroding the outer electrode. Edit: You could purchase double platinum spark plugs and it won't matter, but why spend the extra $$ when you don't have to? Edited by DougS - 21 Aug 2015 at 10:29am |
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DrAllis ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Points: 21723 |
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If you change battery polarity, ammeter polarity and you must also change the coil polarity. If you don't change the coil, the ignition point life is drastically reduced.
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