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    Posted: 03 Feb 2011 at 9:00am
 I am trying to figure out how to burn waste oil in my wood stove to heat my shop.  If any of you have good ideas or experience please let me know.  Sorry if I posted this on the wrong spot on the forum but hope it will be ok.
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I've seen it posted on YT mag . com some folks have devised a drip system to feed a wood stove. I think they have some type of drip pan for the oil to actually burn in and maybe start it with kerosene.
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I set one up to use on my coal stove in the shop.  I soldered a 1/4 " brass fitting into the lower side of a large coffee can and attached a shut of valve and a length of 1/4 " copper tube. It sets on the concrete block wall behind the coal stove and drips the oil onto the burning coal. I adjust the valve to get a steady drip and it will burn up a couple of coffee cans of used oil per day. Also cuts down on the amount of coal used.
I got the idea from one of Roger Welsche's books. He built one and fed the tube through a hole drilled into the top of his wood stove.
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You can drip the oil into a cast iron frying pan inside a wood stove. There was some discussion on this forum previously as to how to make one.
The best one I have seen is in Mother Earth News:
 
 
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I built one like the Mother Earth one, with several modifications and tweaks over time. Works like a champ! Will glow red hot if you dont watch it. you need to fine tune the flow onto the drip plate with a NEEDLE VALVE. I dilute 8 gallons of FILTERED used oil with 1 quart of kerosene. Helps if flow better. Viscosity changes as the room warm up, so you have to fiddle with it some. 8 gal will burn 10 hours or so. Best thing I ever did. Eliminates a lot of cabin fever. I can work out in the shop any time I want now and not think of the cost of heat!
sometimes I walk out to my shop and look around and think "Who's the idiot that owns this place?"
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Here is a much simplified version built by the guy that did the Mother Earth stove.
http://www.journeytoforever.org/RSwoh1.html


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I built a small "jet" pump that hooks into the secondary air inlet of my wood stove in the garage. I have a 1 lb. coffee can with the pump attached that plugs right into the front of the stove. I start a fire with wood, turn on the air compressor, fill the coffee can up and open my 10 psi regulator to the jet pump. It sucks oil out of the can and blows it in a mist right into the fire. Upside is I can heat my garage on 1/4 to 1/3 of the wood I used before burning oil. The down side is you have to listen to the air compressor run every 10 minutes or so.
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Roger Sanders is the guy I copied. the key is DOWNDRAFT and ATOMIZATION of the oil. That guy is a genius!
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I think you are exactly right--you must have a downdraft.  I have tried using the air intake system on the woodstove (updraft) and it does not work.  I have been hesitant to cut a 4 inch hole in the top of my stove but if that is what it takes I am willing to do it.  Any more feedback or details would be greatly appreciated.
 
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Jay, can you be more specific about down draft? Also, how did you atomize the oil? I was thinking about something like a small pump run by an electric motor might work well.
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Brian, look at the link I posted. All combustion air comes from the top center of the stove. If you light it like you are supposed to, and get the draft going up the chimney, everything works. This new style that was developed over time has no pump, oil is "atomized' or gassified by heat from the fire.
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Charlie; your link don't go anywhere except "try Google" and that don't get ya squat either.
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It works fine for me. Gooses link doesn't work for me. Are you sure you clicked the right one?
Now the one Goose put up works too, but that Mother Earth burner is really complicated compared to Rogers updated design.
http://www.journeytoforever.org/RSwoh1.html


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HMMM! that's weird...the new post worked so I tried the old one and it worked now.Friggin computers!!!Tried 3 times before and no go.

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i have tried several home built oil burners and have been very happy with the one i have now. i have had it in the shop a good five years. i did buy a variable speed oil transfer pump to feed the stove and it drips into a firebox that is a clone to the old kerasene zigler stoves.  i drilled at least a couple of hundred small holes on one side of 2x4 tubing then faced them towards each other with about six inches between them these pieces were about 18 inches long.  i cut two more pieces of 2x4 tube for the  ends of the firebox with mitered corners and welded them together then i welded a plate to the bottom.   i plumed a dryer fan to blow air with some flex tube into the 2x4 tubing.  i turn on the pump and throw a cup of diesel in with a small piece of newspaper and plug in the fan and the way it goes.  we used to feed it with gravity and the warmer the shop got the faster the oil flowed and the hotter the fire burnt and well it was alot safer with the used oil pump i bought.  just scrap it out before starting the fire and all is ok.  very little to no smoke and if i can figure out how to download a couple of pics i will. doug

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I'm interested in any more info about these. I'd like to know what type of oil pump I would use for this. I plan on building one before next winter. I've heard many stories about the drip system needing to be adjusted so i'm thinking a pump system is what I need.
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The link Charlie posts doesn't show much picture wise. Just a short description and a PayPal link to purchase the plans to build one. I think pump wise I have some good candidates that were from very old oil burning furnaces. Seems like I've read that the guy started with an old water heater tank.
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I did more digging this afternoon on the links from Charley and Goose and found a new design and I'm getting ideas from Farmer 0_1. It sounds like they got the gravity system working good but I want to light it early in the morning and go back out after it warms up a little. I'm just afraid that the gravity system needs regular attention especially at startup.
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Here is a link to someone who built a Roger Sanders design one and all the things he figured on the way.  Fairly decent writeup with some good pictures.   I have always wanted to make one but like all projects, I don't have the time to get to them.

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i bought my pump from Heco ag.  just do a search they sell whole stove kits to but i just ask for the pump it seems to me it was at least 200 bucks.  but well worth the piece of mind for me.   as far as building it I hook a dryer fan up to the burn box and drip oil in from top of stove over burner.  have fun drilling all those little holes ,  tried bigger holes didn't work as well. 


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That makes more sense with the pics from the waste oil stove forum. I don't like the oil bucket up on top of it. Unless you had some kind of pump, filling that bucket could be messy.
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All we did was to drill a hole in the top of the stove and installed a pipe nipple, some copper line, and a valve to control flow. Oil drum is mounted higher than the stove so it's gravity fed. You do have to use wood for this setup and have the oil drip on the wood. It does use alot less wood and gets hotter than just wood using the oil drip.
 
A word of caution, If you install a oil drip into one of the commercially made home wood stoves it won't last long. Whe we first started using oil we had a Ashley stove. It didn't last long before we burnt it up. We then made a stove out of 30" gas pipe and you won't burn that one up.
 
Another thing you need to remember is to turn the oil off when you leave the shop in the evening. The wood will burn out and the oil will just smolder until morning and fill the shop with soot and smoke. Ask me how I know.
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Humour me guys, but can't you just filter the waste oil really well and use it in an oil furnace,maybe with bigger jets? I'd think it'd be easier.
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Jay, people have tried for years to make a waste oil burner like that work. You end up spending more time cleaning and relighting than you do burning. That's why the Rogers waste oil burner works. No pump, no nozzle , and no clogging.
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I knew someone would have the answer !!! Thanks
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 i built a dragon waste oil burner that shot the oil onto a target.  really made an impressive flame when it wasn't clogged up. it used compressed air and a ventury so the oild didn't have to go thru any small  holes.  i tossed it in favor of this one i use now.  no regrets .
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Do a Google search for "Babington burner". I looked into one of these awhile back but never got around to building one. The great part about this oil burner is it's fairly simple and you can use dirty oil without problems.
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