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dfwallis 
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 Topic: Van Sickle, Tallmans, TISCO Paint
Posted: 28 May 2025 at 9:06pm |
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I gather from my latest quest to buy paint that Van Sickle has been making both Tallmans and TISCO (Persian Orange #1) paints for awhile and that both Tallmans and TISCO brands are being phased out in favor of the Van Sickle brand. It seems to be implied that this has been the same paint formulation for all 3 brands for some time, despite the marketing claims that one is much better than others. I looked at the PPG version (60080, which may be the true original) but all of the "color samples" online don't look anything like the original PO #1 on the tractor. It's much too red. I can only guess that the online representations are inaccurate. Van Sickle does seem to recommend using clear coat which I did not do because the tallmans source I used made no reference to it.
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HudCo
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Posted: 17 hours 52 minutes ago at 9:46am |
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who does the iron guard that the impliment companys sell
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Ray54
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Posted: 17 hours 19 minutes ago at 10:19am |
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I know nothing about paint. But I know 2 people that have painted crawler tractors with Tisco Persian Orange paint. They were not happy in that it faded very fast. Not show tractors so they did not sit in the barn, but outside like 80% of working tractor out here.
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Posted: 17 hours 19 minutes ago at 10:19am |
 HudCo wrote:
who does the iron guard that the impliment companys sell |
Would appear to be Krylon.
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dfwallis
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Posted: 17 hours 10 minutes ago at 10:28am |
Ray54 wrote:
I know nothing about paint. But I know 2 people that have painted crawler tractors with Tisco Persian Orange paint. They were not happy in that it faded very fast. Not show tractors so they did not sit in the barn, but outside like 80% of working tractor out here. |
It's oil based enamel and isn't very durable unless you add the hardener and they recommend a clear coat on top. I initially failed to add the hardener, but also had a lot of trouble with humidity in the compressor lines (took a 5 stage dryer/filter setup to resolve). I think it's probably good enough for most, especially if applied as recommended. I'd truly like to know what is the BEST paint and approach, though in case I ever do it again. I know that when I painted a 68 Olds Cutlass, Mustang and Beetle in the 70s, that I used Dulux enamel, hardener, dryer...But I also did not clear coat and it was not as shiny as I had hoped.
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Posted: 16 hours 43 minutes ago at 10:55am |
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We've used Van Sickle for years. We have the best luck spraying 2 coats without hardener and the final top coat with hardener. We've never clear coated. some of our paint jobs are twenty years old & still look good.
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HANSEN'S OLD ORANGE IRON. Showing, Pulling, & Going!!
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HudCo
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Posted: 5 hours 18 minutes ago at 10:20pm |
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nothing uglyer than clearcoat that starts pealing and it will at least faded paint can be waxed
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steve(ill)
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Posted: 4 hours 53 minutes ago at 10:45pm |
Most paints you buy at the Hardware or BIG BOX stores are Alkyd Enamel.. Commonly know as tractor paint... It is what you use around the house to paint machinery, swingset, etc... Normally not the same quality as AUTOMOTIVE PAINT which is ACRYLIC ... im not sure there is a big difference in who manufactured the Alkyd Paint..
----------------------- Decorative Performance of Acrylic Paint and Alkyd Paint
alkyd paint and acrylic paint are often used as topcoats. The decorative performance of the two is not the same. Due to its slow drying speed, alkyd paint film is difficult to meet higher requirements, and it is prone to losing gloss and fading after long-term use.
Acrylic paint dries quickly, and the film is hard and durable. Even after long-term use, it can still provide excellent gloss and color retention, making it better for decorative use.
Characteristics of Acrylic Paint and Alkyd Paint
There is a big difference between the characteristics of alkyd paint and acrylic paint, particularly in terms of weather resistance and resistance to chemical corrosion. Due to the stable and hard texture, strong adhesion, and fewer micropores of acrylic paint film, it has a better ability to retain gloss and color, and is more weather resistant.
alkyd paint is prone to serious loss of gloss and color, as well as peeling and powdering, after prolonged use, resulting in poor weather resistance.
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Like them all, but love the "B"s.
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steve(ill)
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Posted: 4 hours 45 minutes ago at 10:53pm |
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You can buy Hardeners and add to the Alkyd Enamels to make them dry faster and harder... I have done that.... Not sure it will fix the Weathering if machines are left outside... I have not had good luck with keeping it " Gloss" when painting trailers that set out in the sun.... Keep a tractor INSIDE and it helps.
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Like them all, but love the "B"s.
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Posted: 26 minutes ago at 3:12am |
Sherwin-Williams introduced acrylics into the automotive finishes market in 1966. It has been the mainstay of the automotive paint and refinish market since. Alkyds had their place, and was the best current technology available till that time. The cost is reflective of the technology incorporated to state it mildly.
I've sprayed Van Sykle,Valspar, Rust-Oleum, etc. with about the same results and in a controlled atmosphere, it can be made to "stand tall" like other paints of better quality. It does have an open window much longer than acrylic based enamel paints, but both airflow and heat are friends here. I have never used a hardener in an alkyd paint myself. I tend to force dry anything by turning the heat up in the paint room to 140 degrees and let it go about 45 minutes and slowly cool down. Most don't have that option I know, but I do and use it. For panel work I have a short wave infrared paint drying lamp that will do about 1/2 the side of a car as example in just about 20 minutes at 140 degrees till you can color sand and buff once cooled down. Both methods work on either acrylic, or alkyd based topcoats.
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