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jiminnd 
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Posted: 29 Oct 2019 at 8:30pm |
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In a year like this we can't even fill a grain cart in the field, we do half fills, too wet, so we unload everything on the go to help speed things up for the cart. But, these are not Gleaners.
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Posted: 29 Oct 2019 at 8:13pm |
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Posted: 29 Oct 2019 at 7:48pm |
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"a good set of balls made things work better"....yep,in my younger days...
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Posted: 29 Oct 2019 at 5:34pm |
 tbran wrote:
Freed - I was not specific in a visual measurement - IF you can see almost an entire BALL in the slot you have a lot of wear. The channel ledge gaps are about an eighth inch or less originally. Most used machines have a quarter inch gap- the balls are half inch in diameter - when it gets much more than that bad things are about to happen under load. Good smooth rust free balls are a necessity, in fact a good set of balls made a lot of things work better in my younger harvesting days... |
Thanks for the reply!! I read your original post that the balls should be "unseen". We do have a 1/4'' gap between the slots but thankfully NO rust on the balls. Thanks again for the info, I will SADLY miss this machine when it goes down the driveway on a lowboy 
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Posted: 29 Oct 2019 at 4:52pm |
Freed - I was not specific in a visual measurement - IF you can see almost an entire BALL in the slot you have a lot of wear. The channel ledge gaps are about an eighth inch or less originally. Most used machines have a quarter inch gap- the balls are half inch in diameter - when it gets much more than that bad things are about to happen under load. Good smooth rust free balls are a necessity, in fact a good set of balls made a lot of things work better in my younger harvesting days...
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Posted: 28 Oct 2019 at 7:44pm |
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an other thing to think about is the years that it is wet and you can not even pull a truck onto the edge of the field . And have to unload on the road.
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Posted: 28 Oct 2019 at 6:37pm |
Got out to the farm this evening to put the sweep auger in the bin for the hired trucker. I brought the O/M HOME with me to do some much needed reading pertaining to high moisture corn settings  and browsed into the "unloading" section. Was surprised I had to get into the "OPTIONS/ACCESSORIES" section, but from what I inertpreted, an F2 isn't suggested to unload-on-the-go as has been respectfully suggested  . I do have a question for TBRAN, he made a comment about "seeing" the balls in the swivel, seems like you said if they are visible that problems are soon to follow? We've ran this machine for 15 years and have always been able to see the balls in the "chute" and have no popping/banging/snagging issues so far. Yes, I blow out and silicone spray the snot out of the "chute" and our machine is always stored inside when not in the field running.
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Posted: 28 Oct 2019 at 1:25pm |
DanWi wrote:
Was thinking about this today as we were combining. The older combines with manual fold augers most people left them out all day, although i do seem to remember there was someone who would fold each time they unloaded. But most of those augers had one or two braces holding them. |
The only old manual folding unload augers that may not of had a brace was a Massey Harris. It was pretty straight up and had almost flat spout to slide grain sideways to the bin. It may of had a brace  but I am not remembering it.
Growing up anything with the hinged auger was up town. Because the first self propelled combines here you pulled the whole thing off if you had to take down to go down the road.
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Posted: 28 Oct 2019 at 12:35am |
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Turret augers offer a whole new set of problems and they fail over time too.
If I had more acres and more help I would, without question, unload on the go.
My neighbor only runs 90 acres but has the equipment and help to unload on the go. He doubled his capacity doing that, literally. Now he is an excavator too so he has the help and semis and he can afford the cart.
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Posted: 26 Oct 2019 at 10:10pm |
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were there some gleaners for a bit that had the turret auger option? |
We run a turret R62 sorta like it better than the regular. I wish Gleaner offered both still.
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Posted: 26 Oct 2019 at 9:24pm |
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Was thinking about this today as we were combining. The older combines with manual fold augers most people left them out all day, although i do seem to remember there was someone who would fold each time they unloaded. But most of those augers had one or two braces holding them.
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Posted: 26 Oct 2019 at 2:52pm |
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I was at the 'factory' testing.. yes they WERE designed to unload on the go and fold back in////with OEM length not extensions/// they worked great NEW repeat NEW - after thousands of cycles and neglect in the ball swivel area the track wore due to lack of lube and the abrasiveness of the rusty ball bearings to the point that they literally did fall off in the field. We have a 72 and an old 50 and unload all the time -- the R50 and 72 did fail due to the above reason - we repaired them, put in new tracks and balls and they have been running since. As to should you unload on the go - simply get out and look at the bearing area while someone rolls the auger in and out - if it pops and cracks and you can see ball bearings , you are on borrowed time ... also never put in more balls than is called for even if they fit ... some slack is mandatory.
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Posted: 26 Oct 2019 at 1:58pm |
Heres a web link to an interesting 2012 AgTalk discussion about turret unloading auger & gleaner. https://talk.newagtalk.com/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=340165&DisplayType=flat&setCookie=1
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Posted: 26 Oct 2019 at 1:30pm |
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were there some gleaners for a bit that had the turret auger option?
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Posted: 25 Oct 2019 at 3:43pm |
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Something else to consider is all the engine hours accumulated in stopping to unload. Why put extra hours on. Its wasted time that could be used for making the machine more productive.
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Posted: 25 Oct 2019 at 11:18am |
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Supposedly double the capacity of a combine when you unload on the go. A turret equipped would eliminate some of the stresses to folding up full.
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Posted: 25 Oct 2019 at 11:09am |
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To expand on Doc's comment when we had the M we would leave the separator run and just turn off the head when we unloaded on the ends because when you turned off the separator dust and dirt in the cylinder would make it out of balance for a short time when you started it sometimes, so the plan was to leave it run when you can. Combining on fields that are 1/2 to 1 mile long and straight you want to unload on the go. If the field is less then 1/8 mile and irregular shape it can be hard to do.
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Posted: 25 Oct 2019 at 8:57am |
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No one mentions the obvious! Is the auger tall enough to unload on the go? I would want a little wiggle room unless your fields are perfectly flat and you are unloading into a hundred bushel barge box or 1959 tonner Chevy I wouldn’t attempt it with an F
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Posted: 25 Oct 2019 at 7:23am |
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You would need two trucks, one setting at each end of the field. Then there is the issue of not being able to make it to the end, so now you have to back out, drive around the uncut rows, go dump, then come back, and finish those rows, dump again, then start combining to the other end, and start the whole process over, not to mention the time spent dumping. Yes it pays. [/QUOTE]
Years ago, we would just leave the trucks in the middle of the field and unload each way. That eliminated the compaction of running all over the field with an extra piece of equipment. Also it’s impossible for one person to run two seats.
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Posted: 25 Oct 2019 at 6:03am |
Yeesh, from a 'mechanical' viewpoint, I'd think there's a LOT of weird stresses on the unloading augar system even IF the ground was 100% flat.Hit a whoop-whoop and I can just see something, expensive busting. The operation up the road use two tractors and two 'transfer wagons' to haul product to roadside where a semi and looooog trailer are waiting. I can see why 'unloading on the go' might save time/money but...just one breakdown would kill that. I still don't know HOW any of you farmers MAKE money farming....but I apprecite your efforts and work ethics !!
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Posted: 25 Oct 2019 at 4:57am |
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No one mentions the extra wear and tear on the combine and corn head when NOT dumping on-the-go. We fill the grain tank every 12 minutes in corn with an R-50, so that is 5 times per hour. When you pull out of the rows and go dump into a waiting wagon, do you leave the machine engaged?? or shut down?? If you shut it down, you are now engaging the separator clutch and header clutch 5 times per hour, or 40 times per day. If you leave everything engaged, you have logged 10 or 12 minutes per hour of separator time doing nothing. It's not a perfect world, and either way has it's pluses and minuses.
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Posted: 24 Oct 2019 at 10:24pm |
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Nobody mentions all the extra wheel traffic you can keep off of your fields if you are able to make a round and unload on the ends. Seems unloading on the go becomes a bigger issue when we have high yielding corn and combines running bigger heads. Running 50 bushel beans it is not as big of a deal. I think the John Deere guys had to start unloading on the go when they put 6 row heads on 6600's because they couldn't get half way across a field.
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Posted: 24 Oct 2019 at 10:10pm |
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Figure how many bushels per hour is being run by the machine moving at a certain speed. Lets use a 6 row head at 3.5mph in 190bu corn. Say unloading is 2 bu per second. Your input into the tank is .357 bu per second. I would say the auger isnt close to being full when done unloading on the go.
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Posted: 24 Oct 2019 at 8:05pm |
Michael V (NM) wrote:
Big al wrote: You would need two trucks, one setting at each end of the field. Then there is the issue of not being able to make it to the end, so now you have to back out, drive around the uncut rows, go dump, then come back, and finish those rows, dump again, then start combining to the other end, and start the whole process over, not to mention the time spent dumping. Yes it pays. this is another thing I forgot to mention,,,if ya cant make it to the end of the field,,, man,, this takes up LOTS of time, I've done it this way before I had a grain cart, harvesting by myself,,, seems like it took 2 weeks to do 120 acres, but I was doing it all, running combine, and taking the trucks to the elevator...
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I deal with this all the time. Last couple weeks I have been struggling to get 20 acres a day with the L2 and run trucks. That includes leaving a full truck at the elevator that evening to dump first thing in the morning. I also work in town so 1/2 day puts me at 10:30. The neighbor doesn’t like trucking so yesterday he was running the L2. I was trucking and running the F3 between loads and we cut 40 acres. From 1 to dark. Was a good day.
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Posted: 24 Oct 2019 at 7:33pm |
Big al wrote: You would need two trucks, one setting at each end of the field. Then there is the issue of not being able to make it to the end, so now you have to back out, drive around the uncut rows, go dump, then come back, and finish those rows, dump again, then start combining to the other end, and start the whole process over, not to mention the time spent dumping. Yes it pays. this is another thing I forgot to mention,,,if ya cant make it to the end of the field,,, man,, this takes up LOTS of time, I've done it this way before I had a grain cart, harvesting by myself,,, seems like it took 2 weeks to do 120 acres, but I was doing it all, running combine, and taking the trucks to the elevator...
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Posted: 24 Oct 2019 at 7:31pm |
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Tho not an F or L or M, here’s some ballpark numbers for you to chew on from an R62.
6 row head in a corn field 1/4 mile rows( minus end rows) running 4mph in 190 bpa , it takes me right at 2 minutes to unload on the end of the field. To make one pass, takes me 2 min. 30 seconds. I unload on the go at 3.5 mph. Time saved adds up in a hurry. But I don’t think I would do it with a 30 plus year old machine.
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Posted: 24 Oct 2019 at 7:20pm |
PaulB wrote:
CrestonM wrote:
With all the custom operators that ran L’s, I’d think they’d be designed to unload on the go?
I think if you did the math it would save you quite a bit of time in the end. They taught us in a farm management class how to calculate all that, but I’d have to sit down and think about the formulas.
I’ve seen plenty of M/L machines unloading on the go over the years.
I wouldn’t think it would be good to fold it back in while full, just empty the bin while you’re cutting, then fold back.
I’m sure some others with more knowledge/experience than me will know. |
Creston: Ask you farm management teacher if that factors in the cost if the $100,000 big tractor and $50,000 + grain cart along with the extra operator, as opposed to just the truck setting at the edge of the field. |
You would need two trucks, one setting at each end of the field. Then there is the issue of not being able to make it to the end, so now you have to back out, drive around the uncut rows, go dump, then come back, and finish those rows, dump again, then start combining to the other end, and start the whole process over, not to mention the time spent dumping. Yes it pays.
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Posted: 24 Oct 2019 at 7:17pm |
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I think the material on F2's is marginal for strength that's why I say no
Later,bigger machines are built with unloading on the go in mind. Just my opinion.
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Posted: 24 Oct 2019 at 7:13pm |
In my K2 Op Manual it says ; " NOTE: DO NOT operate in the field with the unloading tube extended except during actual time it is being operated to unload grain on the move."
" NOTE: DO NOT operate combine in the field with the unloading conveyor tube out of its support saddle except when actually unloading the grain bin."
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Posted: 24 Oct 2019 at 7:11pm |
SteveM C/IL wrote:
It wasn't made for that. Do what you want but I think you'll regret it. How much time are you saving? |
Don't recall saying that we were going to unload-on-the go, just asked if can be done. I see pictures of larger machines with the basically same auger swivel unloading tube and I would bet they don't stop to empty the tube/tank in the middle of the field? Like I said, just asking. After a poster mentioned he/she thinks the issue is addressed in the O/M, I will delve into it this weekend.
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