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Thad in AR. 
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Posted: 06 Mar 2022 at 5:57pm |
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I had new tires put on the rear of the old I600 backhoe I bought. Tire guy said rims were nice so they went tubeless and said old ones were as well.
When I got it home I aired up the fronts to 50 lbs.
next day one was flat. I’ve aired it up a couple times and it goes flat within a couple days.
I sprayed it with soapy water today. It’s leaking around the bead.
The wheel has a couple dings I need to straighten.
Should I stay tubeless or add a tube?
It has very heavy 10 ply truck tires on it.
I did t know you could run these old rims tubeless.
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Posted: 06 Mar 2022 at 8:37pm |
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I had new front tires put on my 5040 last year with new tubes. I had the wheels powder coated while the tires were off. They put new tubes in and pinched one. It went flat a couple of days later. Took it back and they didn’t have a tube in stock, middle of hay season and they removed the tube and went tubeless. Aired it up and it’s been fine.
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Posted: 06 Mar 2022 at 8:55pm |
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Well you could try green slime sealant in the tire and then rotate tire until the stuff seeps into bead area .
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Posted: 06 Mar 2022 at 9:11pm |
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Just put a tube in it. Get the tube with the short fat stem. I think its TR15 stem. If it's a 235/75Rx16 tire, a MR16 tube would be the correct one. If it's got 215/85x16's a KR16 tube would be the right one.
Edited by 200Tom1 - 06 Mar 2022 at 9:18pm
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Posted: 06 Mar 2022 at 9:33pm |
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Old rims rust along the bead line.. Tires dont seal real well... BEST to remove tire and clean, then install a new tube with the old tire..
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Thad in AR.
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Posted: 07 Mar 2022 at 4:03am |
 steve(ill) wrote:
Old rims rust along the bead line.. Tires dont seal real well... BEST to remove tire and clean, then install a new tube with the old tire.. |
That’s what I was thinking.
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Posted: 07 Mar 2022 at 4:55am |
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Some will disagree but usually the tube type rims are flat (5 degree or less) in the bead area where the tubeless type rims are generally more like 22 degrees which nearer matches the tire bead profile and gives the bead better seating for sealing. Some newer tubeless rims have a secondary ridge in a bit from the outside to help hold the bead out, as well. I have never had good luck trying to hold a seal on a flat based rim with a tubeless tire, the bead seal can be broken easier by any side force. I will stay with using a tube, if that was original equipment for the rim. I believe the I600 calls out a tire and tube as originally equipped, front and rear.
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Posted: 07 Mar 2022 at 5:46am |
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Agree Jim. I have installed many tubes into tractors with loaders after the owners have rolled the bead seal from the rims during a turn. Seen a couple rims destroyed as the turn was on concrete and the bead seal area rolled under also. "TT" type tires use a tube, "TL" types do not use a tube but it does matter the rim style used and always safer to run a tube unless a tubeless rated rim.
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Thad in AR.
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Posted: 07 Mar 2022 at 5:48am |
Jim.ME wrote:
Some will disagree but usually the tube type rims are flat (5 degree or less) in the bead area where the tubeless type rims are generally more like 22 degrees which nearer matches the tire bead profile and gives the bead better seating for sealing. Some newer tubeless rims have a secondary ridge in a bit from the outside to help hold the bead out, as well. I have never had good luck trying to hold a seal on a flat based rim with a tubeless tire, the bead seal can be broken easier by any side force. I will stay with using a tube, if that was original equipment for the rim. I believe the I600 calls out a tire and tube as originally equipped, front and rear. |
I agree. Usually the half sizes have the tapered bead and the even sizes have the extra dimple. I’ll be doing with a tube on these.
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Posted: 07 Mar 2022 at 6:24am |
Go back to that 'expert tire guy' and HE can pay to put tubes into YOUR tires and rims...  Odds are real good the original rims were made before anyone even thought about 'tubeless' tires..... jes sayin..... go back to the way it WORKED for decades.
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Posted: 07 Mar 2022 at 7:42am |
jaybmiller wrote:
Go back to that 'expert tire guy' and HE can pay to put tubes into YOUR tires and rims... Odds are real good the original rims were made before anyone even thought about 'tubeless' tires..... jes sayin..... go back to the way it WORKED for decades.
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To clarify, I had new rears installed. They’re tubeless and holding. The previous were tubeless and holding. The leaky one is on the front. Heavy duty 285 75 16 truck tire. Having a tube installed.
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Posted: 07 Mar 2022 at 1:49pm |
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Dropped it at the tire shop this morning. Picked it up at lunch. They said it had a good bent in the bead on the wheel. They straightened it out and shined up the bead and said it’s in good shape.
He said no reason to use tubes with these wheels.
I do like the option of plugging them.
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Posted: 08 Mar 2022 at 2:15pm |
Put new tires on my AC 200 rear. I had set of freshly blast & paint rims Power Adj., tires said tubeless I asked tire guy use tubes or not. He said as the rims are P A he'd use tubes so did. Took my OEM rims to be blast n paint, to expensive but rust will be gone and look new. For next project.
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Posted: 08 Mar 2022 at 2:25pm |
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I wondered if the rim shape was different 'profile' for tube/tubeless/radial ????
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Posted: 08 Mar 2022 at 4:43pm |
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yes jay... on the old TUBE TIRES, the rim bead is basically 90 degree to the rim ring... on a TUBELESS TIRE the bead sets much less than 90 degrees.
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Posted: 08 Mar 2022 at 7:01pm |
GREAT , I learned something today !! I also got ONE bolt off my new ride without needing any bandaids too !!!
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Posted: 08 Mar 2022 at 7:38pm |
this shows the TUBE TYPE as a split rim.... but the LIP design is the same ...
I am doing a pair of front rims for a backhoe right now and the center hub is RIVETED to the rim in the center..... And the LIP is about 90 degree .... so BOTH of those would clue you in to use a tube.
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Thad in AR.
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Posted: 09 Mar 2022 at 4:51am |
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Upon further inspection, I believe this to be a much newer rim than the other side.
Tire shop swears it’s nice inside and is a tubeless wheel.
The other side has a tube and an older looking wheel.
I’ve found what appear to be what this one is on Yesterday tractors. Says tubeless and the pic looks just like the tubeless above in Steve’s post.
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