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LeonR2013 ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 Jan 2013 Location: Fulton, Mo Points: 3500 |
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Man, that looks good. Nice to be young and able to get after it like that. Did alright until I reached 62 and then the bottom fell out. Hope the better half agrees with all this if you have one. It's really hard to balance time spent on our toys and the family. One thing I've learned in nearly 80 yrs. is don't let the toys take over your life, but if you work together on any project things will be just fine. Keep up the good work. Leon
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chaskaduo ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 26 Nov 2016 Location: Twin Cities Points: 5200 |
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Chris, them carb parts almost ( Do ) look cleaner than some of my pots and pans. Hope you can tap that jet ok after all that nice work.
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Sugarmaker ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Jul 2013 Location: Albion PA Points: 8483 |
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Leon, I think its too late, the toys have taken over! But I try to use them as my "WORK" after retirement! The wife tolerates my hobbies and she pretty much knows where I am at while working on these Allis tractors or at local tractor pulls. Thanks for the support! My grandson is really in to dirt bikes. He is building improved pit bikes! The tractor pulling is only a couple times a year for him since he is very busy doing the work thing and family! Regards, Chris
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D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet.
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Sugarmaker ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Jul 2013 Location: Albion PA Points: 8483 |
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Chas, Feel like I am slacking most of the time. My cleaning skills are at the very basic level. Thanks for the push to get that port tapped. I may wait for the kit to come in and do a visual verification on the power jet thread. Not sure why but I kind of enjoy getting into a carburetor. I was about 10 when I did my first one. It was on a single cylinder lawn mower engine. That carb had a crack in the aluminum. My grandfather took me to a guy who welded the crack. It was awesome when I put it back together and it ran! I was hooked. Regards, Chris
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D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet.
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mdm1 ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Onalaska, WI Points: 2677 |
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Chris my winter project is redoing a early 1970's Rupp mini bike that my son used to ride. His daughters (my gradbabies) want to ride it. If someone says you have to many toys quit talking to them. You don't need that kind of negativity in one's life.
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Everything is impossible until someone does it! WD45-trip loader 1947 c w/woods belly mower, 1939 B, #3 sickle mower 1944 B, 2 1948 G's. Misc other equipment that my wife calls JUNK!
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Sugarmaker ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Jul 2013 Location: Albion PA Points: 8483 |
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mdm1,
I really like the idea of the mini bike project! We could use some pictures of that too! Maybe it will encourage me to continue posting on this forum? A old mini bike was one of my first projects and I think that was the engine with the bad carb. Once running I rode the heck out of that thing. It was my first "wheels". I remember mounting two solid rubber tires, on steel rims, bolted together to make a "slick". Worked great till I ran it about 2 miles at maybe 20 miles per hour. All of a sudden the rubber tires melted off the rims and I wobbled to a controlled stop about a quarter mile from home. One of those things you just don't forget! Regards, Chris
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D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet.
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Sugarmaker ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Jul 2013 Location: Albion PA Points: 8483 |
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Folks,
There are some good suppliers still out there! My confidence in this old tractor hobby has been strengthened! I received a package today from one of our forum sponsors Sandy Lake Implement. Including a carb rebuild kit and a air hose. Not a cheap date. The kit is about $70. But I was VERY please with the carb kit. I have bought these types of things in the past and received a lower cost kit but it had maybe 10 items in it. This kit has everything! I mean everything to rebuild the carburetor. I was so impressed that I had to call them and tell them. Bill said that these have only been available for about 8 months. I think the only thing it doesnt have is the float. If you haven't rebuilt a carb lately this kit will go all the way to providing you with the parts to have your tractors fuel delivery system like new! Now I have not started to use and assemble the parts. I need to chase the threads on the power jet. Plus I may prime and paint the upper and lower halves prior to assembly. Stay tuned. If I continue posting here you might see this old crusty carb come back from the dead. (The hose looks good too!:)) Regards, Chris
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D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet.
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Sugarmaker ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Jul 2013 Location: Albion PA Points: 8483 |
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Folks,
Should finish this project in next few days. The #8-32 tap that Steve @B&B recommended was the ticket. Saved the bowl. Primered with some Krylon: ![]() But the Krylon top coat (PO) just does not work good for me. In hind site I should have just painted the body with High temp black. Top ready for primer: ![]() WD45 air cleaner, looks to be in good shape, should clean up good. Will pull the mesh and check it out: ![]() Regards, Chris |
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D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet.
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Ted J ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 05 Jul 2010 Location: La Crosse, WI Points: 18943 |
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If I remember right Chris, that mesh doesn't come out. Put it in the parts washer and let it run. I popped the welds on one of mine so I could change out the screen mesh. It was the only way to get it done. It was like hard tar on the inside. A real pain....
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Ross D. ![]() Silver Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 02 Sep 2013 Location: Erin, Ont. Points: 339 |
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Hi Chris. Is the air cleaner for a WD or for a WD45? The exist pipe looks small to me. Ross.
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Steve in NJ ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Andover, NJ Points: 11992 |
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Lookin' good Chris! Great job on doing your "how to". Pics are great! Once I retire this coming summer, I'll have more time to do a few "how to's" with some electrical stuff if the guys are interested... Steve@B&B
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39'RC, 43'WC, 48'B, 49'G, 50'WF, 65 Big 10, 67'B-110, 75'716H, 2-620's, & a Motorhead wife
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ACinSC ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 16 Dec 2015 Location: South Carolina Points: 2955 |
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Have the D 15 air cleaner assembly pulled off also . Mesh looks clean . May soak it in some gas anyway before I clean it up and paint it . Enjoy your posts and pics . Thanks
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Sugarmaker ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Jul 2013 Location: Albion PA Points: 8483 |
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Steve,
You will be busier than ever! I believe that custom electrical information for these old tractors would be very welcome to most forum members! Good luck in your retirement! Folks, As I wind down on projects: The WD45 air cleaner. I measured the air exit tube and it is the same as my 45. about 1.90 inches diameter. I haven't got into it yet but it looks like the screen retainer is loose? And the mesh did not look too bad. I did drill out the welds on my 45 air box and remove the retainer, then mesh. This one will get the same treatment. Then strip the paint. clean up and finish. On the TSX 464 carb: I am either going to strip the PO Krylon paint or do something? It did not turn out good. Will see what it looks like when I get to Matt's shop today. I am thinking that the black Very High Temp Might be a better way to go? Regards, Chris Edited by Sugarmaker - 11 Jan 2020 at 10:25am |
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Sugarmaker ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Jul 2013 Location: Albion PA Points: 8483 |
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Folks,
The carb halves got another coat of Krylon paint. It may stay that way. Still dont like it! The paint is very thin and transparent even after multiple thin coats. This is Krylon's Farm Implement brand of paint. I think it says 1940 Allis Chalmers on the label. Will see how it holds up as I start assembly. ![]() Not great pictures sorry: Looks more like PO#2 to me? Not enough pumpkin in the color. Regards, Chris
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Ted J ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 05 Jul 2010 Location: La Crosse, WI Points: 18943 |
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I have to agree with you Chris, it is #2 paint. Hard to tell for sure, but it sure looks that way.
Steve, HAPPY RETIREMENT!! I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but you won't have time to write any articles or make videos for us. Once you retire, you run out of time! Every guy that IS retired knows this. I used to get all this stuff done AND go to work. Now I just don't have enough time to get all this stuff done.... CONGRATS!! and enjoy it! Does JOJO know anything about this? LOL |
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Ross D. ![]() Silver Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 02 Sep 2013 Location: Erin, Ont. Points: 339 |
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Good morning. Chris, the air breather will 'breath' a lot more air if it is for a WD45. I believe the difference is from a 1-1/2" to a 1-7/8" on the outlet pipe. If you do the flow difference calculation, I think you will find it quite substantial (A C nust have).
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Sugarmaker ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Jul 2013 Location: Albion PA Points: 8483 |
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Folks,
Ted is for sure right about his advice to Steve. Steve, are you going to keep working on Allis stuff? The paint is a small speed bump in life. Still thinking on that one. Will see when I get it home. Black VHT (Very High Temp) may still be the final finish. I do have some P.O. #1 here from the last tractor. I am going to have to shoot color on the air box at some point too. So maybe the carb will get done with a more correct color then too? Like a kid with a new toy, I get impatient when I should just slow down. Ross, Yes I measured this air box and its 1.90 in. dia. on the outlet pipe. Have to get at it and apply some paint stripper, removes the screen and mesh and start clean up. Regards, Chris
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Steve in NJ ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Andover, NJ Points: 11992 |
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Chris, I use Plasi-Kote's "Rebuilders Cast Grey" P/N 285 when rebuilding customer Carburetors that are cast iron. Its an engine enamel, covers great, stops the flash rust, gives the Caburetor a new natural look, and can be painted over if the customer chooses to do so with the color he or she wants. Some customer's ask if I would dust a coat of clear over the Carb for them which I do if requested. They look great when done.... Ted, Actually, the past couple years we've been concentrating on the house and taking care of all the major house stuff on the "honey do" list, one reason why I didn't retire earlier. We should be done with the major stuff by June (when I do retire) . The regular everyday house upkeep will never disappear, but that's okay. Jo Jo's liking the idea that I won't be away for days during storms at the power co. I'll still be running our business. She also has another "honey do" list for me (although I won't mind at all) doing such things as finishing up a few odds n' ends on her 55' T-Bird. Next on her list is finish up on her new grocery getter Chevy Nova Station Wagon that's been a 7 year project. She's been patiently waiting to put the dog in the Wagon and take a nice long drive into town with that! And last on her 2nd "honey do" list is I have to put her hotrod WC together that's all over the barn. THEN, I can work on my stuff. Come to think about it, you're probably right! By the time I git' to my toys I'll be to old or dead one or the other...... LOL! Steve@B&B
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Steve in NJ ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Andover, NJ Points: 11992 |
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Chris, Here's a couple customer Carbs that just hit the assembly bench. This will give you an idea of what the Carburetors look like. They come out lookin' like new once all together... |
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Steve,
Awesome projects! I smiled! Yes your going to be one busy man! Which reminds me I could work for a year on just the house too. Thanks for the paint tips on the carb. And those carbs look awesome! Regards, Chris
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mdm1 ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Onalaska, WI Points: 2677 |
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Chris when I really get working on the mini bike I will take some pics. It is all apart right now for clean up. I plan to fix what is needed and put it back together to see how it runs. If everything goes good I will dismantel it again, clean it up better and paint it. I don't have a heated place to paint it right now. Guess what color I will paint it? I don't care to paint it original. At some point as to not hyjack your thread I may start a new one. Mike
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Everything is impossible until someone does it! WD45-trip loader 1947 c w/woods belly mower, 1939 B, #3 sickle mower 1944 B, 2 1948 G's. Misc other equipment that my wife calls JUNK!
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Mike, Folks,
Mini bike pictures will fit right in with any of my threads! But you might get more views on your own? I will leave that up to you! Looking forward to seeing that two wheeled PO#1 machine with the kids on it! Well, I had to get out an do just a little something with orange today. The WD45 air cleaner that I just got was next on the list. I applied paint stripper and while it activated, I worked on my bench. Like lots of things around here my bench didn't get to be a disaster in one day so I didn't expect it to get back in order soon either. ![]() A lot of scrapping and its starting to get most of the old paint off: ![]() Someone had cut three nice slots in the air box to allow the screen retainer to pop right off! That was slick! The mesh has a little bit of debris, so they will be soaked and cleaned. ![]() Again I have seen way worse mesh. These are very savable. The cup is complete with spring and inner shelf component. Very happy with this air box from forum member Den!: ![]() Looking down the tube, its going to clean up just fine: ![]() I may be able to get this air box in my blast cabinet for clean up, or just start in on it with small sanding discs on the die grinder/ sander. The small nooks and crannies are where the blaster is nice! And my bench looks a little better too. Another few days and I might see the top again?:) Reminder of the goal here. "Get air box and carb assembly up to WD45 level to place on Nic's WD this spring. " So maybe we wont get much more power out of this upgrade? But it also may set me and him up for a bigger project on his tractor. That would be to do a engine overhaul and maybe bring the old WD up to a WD45 level engine someday. Then these parts will be right sized and ready to go. The main engine parts needed would be a new crank to replace the WD crank, and a complete engine overhaul kit. Maybe 9 spring clutch and WD45 hand clutch too? It just keeps going!:) If he stays interested I will help him. I had a grandfather that did that kind of stuff for me 60 years ago. I can now appreciate it a lot more than I did then! I am also thinking about those kids of his, that may be ready to have fun with old tractors in my life time too. Regards, Chris Edited by Sugarmaker - 12 Jan 2020 at 10:12pm |
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Steve in NJ ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Andover, NJ Points: 11992 |
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Hey! Sounds like we're plannin' on buildin' a Hotrod! Right up my alley!! LOL!
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Chris, I gave up on the kids wanting to help and have fun on these old tractors, so I'm leaning on the grand kids now instead. They seem to be a lot more interested and having a lot more fun.
I don't understand what you meant about the slots in the air cleaner box? Mine were all spot welded in place. Got any close ups? |
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x2 on Ted's question about the slots in the air cleaner box. Thanks, Chris.
The inside of your air cleaner tube reminds me of what I found on my WC when I got her - the air cleaner was packed with dirt from ?? decades of use. I don't think anyone had every cleaned it!
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If this was welded it may have been where the previous owner cut these slots in the outer shell? slot is 1/4 inch wide and about a inch long. Looks like Dremel surgery. Slot #1 ![]() Slot#2 ![]() And #3 slot: ![]() Anyway the mesh retainer screen was easy to pop out using these slots and a screw driver. I thought the one I did a year ago had many spot welds? I looked back and that one had about 6 evenly spaced spot welds? So maybe Allis changed the manufacturing a little? Or did they buy these air boxes from Donaldson? And they don't need to be rewelded after cleaning. The assembly will stay together with the cup in place. Just another piece of orange trivia. I do have the air box mesh and cup soaking in some gas for clean up. Glad you guys woke me from my nap. I did some small jobs out side and then decided it was time to trim the apple trees. with this warm weather they are starting to bud! We have 5 semi-dwarf trees 30 + year old. 2 red delicious, two McIntosh and a golden delicious. I took the Jubilee and trailer. Almost got stuck in the yard it is so soft. Then walked back for the ladder. Just too wet to move the trailer under each tree. By the time I got two of them done, I was done too! Man am I out of shape! Or maybe its this darn 68 thing? Still feel weak. Grandpa used to say he was so weak he wasn't able to pee a round hole in the snow, I can now relate! Maybe that 3 weeks with the head and chest cold didnt help, and I have not been excersizing at all. Ok enough of that. Yes the youngest son pulled tractors with us at the local fair last fall, but he is in Denver so he cant be involved as much. I want the get the youngest daughter involved too. She has not tried it yet. But handles the tractors well. Just have to get a trailer for her to haul the D17. We are muzzle loader hunting tomorrow. My job is to get the deer up out of bed and move them towards the hungry hunters. We will see how that works! Regards, Chris |
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Sugarmaker ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Jul 2013 Location: Albion PA Points: 8483 |
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Steve, I must admit that I have never been a hot rod guy! Some folks have really been or currently into it, not me. But the tractor pulling thing is addictive and where there is competition with equipment someone is always trying to go a little farther, or a little faster! I really dont have the engine building background or a solid plan. Maybe my plan is small improvements to orange tractors to have them give a good showing at local antique tractor pulls. One thing about these WD series tractors I very rarely see them run out of power. Even Nic's old stock WD does pretty good against other tractors in the 3500 lb, 3.5 mph class. If I was to go crazy, I would call you for advice first!:) Regards, Chris
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Steve,
What distributor has the Plasi-Kote's "Rebuilders Cast Grey" P/N 285? I like that. Is there any primer needed? Regards, Chris |
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Steve in NJ ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Andover, NJ Points: 11992 |
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Chris, I purchase that cast iron grey through my local Napa. I buy it by the case cause' I use it a lot on my rebuilds. You should be able to get it. If you can't, I can send you out a can. That paint doesn't need primer. You apply it directly to the bare cast iron and it etches right in and holds in the cast pores. Works great. I even use it on exhaust manifolds and usually get a couple years out of it before it needs a touch-up coat. Just did Jo Jo's manifolds again this past summer on her T-bird. Gotta' make sure they're nice n' clean though before you coat em' the first time. Usually a couple light coats is all ya need... BTW, it doesn't make you a bad person if yer' not a Hotrodder. LMAO!! Steve@B&B
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Steve ,
I will check with NAPA on the paint. Thanks If the dont have it they should be able to order it. The hot rodder thing, is like art to me. I have enough trouble getting things apart and back together as stock! I chose to keep the PO paint. but I am going to try the plasticoat on some things in the future. Sounds like the right product for those applications too. Regards, Chris
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