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gerkendave 
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Posted: 20 Jun 2019 at 6:44pm |
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Hey everyone just been pondering an idea here and curious if anyone has anything like it. I've been doing more and more hay that is farther from home and the old allis tractors just aren't the quickest machines around. I was thinking if I had a trailer with tandem axles that would be just long enough for the tractor to be fully on the trailer but leave the back of the tractor right towards the end so the baler or rake could be left on the ground to trail behind it could be towed down the road with a pickup around 30mph. Which is double what any of my tractors will do (d14, d17 and 190xt.). I used to have a wc narrow front that was perfect for raking with because I had a little two wheel cart that would carry the front of the tractor and everything else just trailed behind. I really liked having the pickup at each field so if something broke I could just take the truck and go home for parts and tools. If anyone has something they use I'd love to see it.
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Posted: 20 Jun 2019 at 8:23pm |
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I made hay for 15 years like that, made my own trailer. I think it was about 15' long and 7 1/2' wide with tandem mobile home axles at the rear of the trailer. Just chained the front of tractor and went down the road pulling the baler or rake. Only problem was not enough weight on the truck, could get stuck pretty easy on gravel. Like having a trailer for a sprayer, once you use it you'll never not have one.
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Posted: 20 Jun 2019 at 8:35pm |
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Thank you! May I ask if you did any kind of suspension or just solid? I'm guessing at that speed solid would be fine and would keep the trailer lower to the ground.
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Posted: 20 Jun 2019 at 9:23pm |
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Why not get a car dolly or whatever they are called. Drive your WFE oni it , tie down and take off. We use to pull a WD 45 between farms with a home made tow bar hitch. I'd guess at 30 mph. Te furthest were 19 miles apart. Never added balers, etc. to the back too. Just had more equipment at those farms or planned ahead and used the pickup ahead of need.
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Posted: 20 Jun 2019 at 10:02pm |
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Why not just put a hitch on the back of trailer? MACK
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Posted: 20 Jun 2019 at 10:18pm |
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I thought about the car dolly just didn't know if it would be heavy enough for say the 190. And unfortunately Mack I don't have a good big trailer of my own to haul the tractors yet. I have to borrow the farms or my father in laws, and I was trying to get as compact as possible as done of these are small fields without much parking area
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Posted: 21 Jun 2019 at 6:58am |
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Make sure at least one axle on the trailer has brakes!
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Posted: 21 Jun 2019 at 7:15am |
Pulling anything any where any distance with out good hitch weight or big enough truck is asking for a accident .
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Posted: 21 Jun 2019 at 7:35am |
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My tuck is plenty big and thats why I'm thinking if the axles were nearly at the far end of the trailer the entire front end of the tractor would be supported with the pickup.
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Posted: 21 Jun 2019 at 7:43am |
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IMO, you'd best tow equipment to site, then go back and get the trailer and tractor.
You would be better off to use a dolly if you want to tow something behind the tractor.
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Posted: 21 Jun 2019 at 11:00am |
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Do you think a car dolly is stout enough to move a tractor around safely?
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Posted: 21 Jun 2019 at 11:11am |
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Any thing hooked to the back of your truck must meet DOT requirements. Brakes if over 3000 lbs not more than 8'6" wide and proper lights. and single unit unless you state allows multi unit trailering. Best to just drive it. We drive 20 miles it only takes an hour and 20 minutes at 15 MPH. it takes longer than that to properly load and secure a load. put a hitch on the back of your equipment and tow the truck behind. you can then leave the tractor and equipment behind. just slap t SMV sign on the towed truck. remember to take the sign off when you unhook.
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Posted: 21 Jun 2019 at 11:14am |
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and no a car dolly isn't heavy enough for a 190. a 190 is twice the weight of a car dolly tow rating. you'd still have tractor tires on the road and be speed limited by them.
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Posted: 21 Jun 2019 at 6:53pm |
 Problem solved. Spend $65000 for a tractor with a 2 line wet kit, $90,000 for a trailer. Oversize permit $27. Commercial insurance $24000 per year. Usdot #. You can haul anything you want. Pulling a bumper hitch trailer weighting 4200 lbs with a 3/4 or 1 ton with a tractor weighting in around 8000lbs tied down with a 8000lbs baler hooked to tractor is a USDOT inspectors steak dinner. First off you cant pull double trailers "bumper hitch trailer with a baler behind it not even attached to trailer" on a ball. 2nd off you dont have a brake on your back trailer "baler." Or proper break away brake. Call your insurance company and ask them if they will insure such a mess if you are involved in a wreck? That should answer your question right there
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Posted: 21 Jun 2019 at 7:57pm |
Yep, insurance. We won't even have a hayride at the farm. What a shame. Leon B MO
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Posted: 22 Jun 2019 at 6:44pm |
What you are thinking of doing may sound like a good idea (to you), but I'm sure a law enforcement officer will surely convince you that it is not such a great idea. You will endangering everyone on your route of travel by having a tractor that is not secured to the trailer correctly and towing implements without brakes behind a trailer.
I just hope you don't hurt or kill someone before they stop you!
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Posted: 22 Jun 2019 at 6:58pm |
You don't say what distance or type of roads but I'm assuming short hauls and country roads ? I don't have a technical problem with using a car dolly to tow the tractor which is hauling the baler PROVIDING the baler has a safety chain attached to the tractor AND some 4way flashing lights. I've hauled a D-14 on a car dolly, zero problems, again I did have 4ways on it. This was about 25 miles, kinda busy secondary road, rather hilly as I recall. Road laws vary ,so check with local LEOs about 'two trailer' towing. Having SMV signs on both might get around some laws.
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Posted: 22 Jun 2019 at 9:02pm |
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Regarding hayrides, I specifically talked with my insurance agent.. I confirmed it with text message that I was covered. If my agent is wrong, then I am covered by her errors and omissions insurance. She checked with the company before telling me.
It is a fact of life today that you must have adequate insurance. If not adequately nsured, then you can loose everything if ther is an accident.
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Posted: 22 Jun 2019 at 9:33pm |
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Regarding hayrides, I specifically talked with my insurance agent.. I confirmed it with text message that I was covered. If my agent is wrong, then I am covered by her errors and omissions insurance. She checked with the company before telling me.
It is a fact of life today that you must have adequate insurance. If not adequately nsured, then you can loose everything if ther is an accident. |
There is currently an active thread on the AC Facebook page discussing this.
I have an addendum on my homeowners policy that is called "Motorized Vehicle Liability Coverage". It costs me $46 per year (up from $38 when I first got it in 2011). It states "Farm/Garden Tractors & Equipment".
My feeling is if they charge for it as an addendum, if you don't have it, you aren't covered. My opinion is that it is pretty cheap for peace of mind.
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Posted: 22 Jun 2019 at 9:48pm |
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How far are you talking? We are pushing 12 miles from furthest west to east fields it’s not that bad of a drive. The OPs idea is scary.
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Posted: 22 Jun 2019 at 9:57pm |
After looking at my previous post, I realize I was pretty vague.
When we had the farm, it was covered by our farm liability. After we sold the farm, I have only homeowners insurance. I have tractors that we do parades, hayrides and things like that. That was what got me thinking about insurance coverage.
In 2011, I bought a new subcompact tractor and wanted full coverage on it (liability and comprehensive). That's when I added full coverage on the new tractor and the liability insurance on the other tractors.
If you have farm liability, you are probably already covered, but it's certainly worth a call to your insurance agent to be sure!
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Posted: 23 Jun 2019 at 7:36pm |
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They make trailers that do exactly what you are talking about. Seems they are more popular out in the south west with hay growers. Ive seen quite a few pictures of them on a hay making facebook page.
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Posted: 24 Jun 2019 at 7:41pm |
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That's great to hear ACFarmer. Some of these responses made me feel like a fool to even dream of it. I can't help but to think a flatbed trailer with the axle towards the rear and brakes wouldn't be just as safe or safer than driving the old tractor by itself with the baler. But just like lots of my ideas it is something that I probably will never get around to making thanks to time constraints 😂
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Posted: 25 Jun 2019 at 10:49am |
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Around here to chicken House crusting crews they used to do that they used a short trailer with no ramps and cruster Ran on the road behind them DOT burnt them that is a $500 ticket then they all bought 40 foot trailers and then DOT got them again they’re trucks weren’t heavy enough or their license wasn’t right for that class truck and weight now they all use single axle road tractors
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Posted: 25 Jun 2019 at 10:21pm |
This all falls under 'transportation of implements of husbandry'.
Depending on the location and circumstances, and the road type, it may be perfectly legal to do as noted above, with the obvious attention to basic safety precautions.
The SPEED is a key factor. If you keep below the SMV definitions of your Authority Having Jurisdiction, you're operating under SMV rules, regardless of what you're PULLING it all with. If you exceed SMV speed rules, then you're no longer an SMV.
An "implement of husbandry" has a special exemption... it is not a 'road going' vehicle, it is a machine, which is on a public road simply for thoroughfare from one work-site or storage or service facility, to another.
A 'Farmer' is an individual who is personally invested in agrarian production. Could be chickens, cotton, beans, horses, or honeybees. Farmers often own land, but it's not a requirement to be in the category, as farmers can lease land, OR, they can contract or share-crop... but in all cases, the definition of 'Farmer' generally always includes exemptions of road travel.
For instance, when I was 15, it was my responsibility to drive a monsterous 6cyl Cummins 6x6 road tractor pulling 5 hay racks from my grandfather's south fields up to county highway, about a half mile along same highway, then up the long hill county gravel road to my uncle's hay barn. None of those trailers had brakes, or lights... and the operator did not have a driver's license, much less a CDL, or airbrake endorsement... but it was totally legal.
It was also totally legal for me to drive the Gleaner from the farm, 3 miles into town, a mile thorugh town, to the implement dealer... WITH the corn header installed... WITHOUT an oversize permit.
Re-ask the question- Let's say you have a 'faster' tractor, and you rig up a hitch that'd hook from the faster tractor's 3-point, to the nose of your haymaking tractor, and the bailer was still hitched to the back, and you towed the whole rig from one field to the other at 23mph... would THAT be legal? If you put the haymaking tractor on a farm trailer, and towed the whole rig with a faster farm tractor, would THAT be?
Certainly.
Towing it with any OTHER vehicle is no different... just as long as you respect your jurisdiction's prescribed Envelope Of Operation for Slow Moving Vehicles.
From a technical standpoint, I would NOT flat-tow a tractor, or nose-tow it (back wheels on ground) at any speed substantially above what it would 'normally' operate at on it's own, for simple reason- the gear reductions between axle and transmission would be spinning substantially faster than designed, and may fling off oil before being adequately lubricated.
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Posted: 25 Jun 2019 at 10:40pm |
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Posted: 26 Jun 2019 at 8:05am |
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Dave in Maryland! If it has a ball hitch it’s not a farm trailer it has to be taged and lighted if it has a pin hitch it’s farm equipment.. we just went through this with hay wagons we started putting ball couplers on ( for safety we haul 275 bales per load of straw) and lights dot cop stoped us and advised us to go back to the pin otherwise they need tags lights and brakes on a 4 wheel wagon I asked about the three axel trailer he said put a pin hitch and an smv sign and go on haul any thing farm related
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Posted: 26 Jun 2019 at 10:09am |
Wherever you are, get a copy or download the 'Highway Traffic Act' or whatever it's called. Up here in Ontario, I can pull any kind of 'trailer' with anything and as long as it has SMV on the back and I go under 40Km( 24MPH) I can be on any road,,except the '400' series. No trailer plate, no ownership, no lights(daytime).
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Posted: 26 Jun 2019 at 12:41pm |
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bradley-- I think part of the problem is you live MD where police are more strict because of more people. Here in plains states and mid west less people and police are accustom to seeing farmers tow big machines and wide machines. I just have never been harassed by police for any of my farming operations. JMHO
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Posted: 26 Jun 2019 at 12:44pm |
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You’re right a lot of it has to do with location we are halfway between the politicians and the beach and on the East Coast we’re all north-south trucks run
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