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ABDave ![]() Silver Level ![]() Joined: 11 Feb 2013 Location: Alberta Points: 53 |
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Well as you may remember from my first post, I have acquired a 7060 with a stuck engine. It's located 1 1/2 miles from my place and I would like to tow it home. There is a 'TOW' location on the Hi-Lo shift, but the tractor has been sitting for at least 12 years and I'm not ready to tow it in case some damage might be done. The oil level in the transmission is on the Full mark.
Question; Is OK to tow it?
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shameless dude ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 10 Apr 2017 Location: east NE Points: 13607 |
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several years ago, I was in town with my 7010, delivered a load of grain to the elevator, when pulling on the scale after unloading the clutch cable snapped. there I sat! called the old lady....oooops...I mean the loving wife, she came in with the car. pulled it home with a Plymouth fury, but I was in it to steer and brake, the engine was running, and I had everything in neutral. (PD tranny) it didn't hurt anything....but then it was running pumping oil. i'd put it in nuertral and pull it, might stir up the oil and splash it around, that would be a good thing I would think! maybe Doc or Mack will chime in on this
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victoryallis ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 15 Apr 2010 Location: Ludington mi Points: 2878 |
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Manual should say but like shameless said it’s doable. When I shelled out the dropbox on the 7580 the 7060 towed it home a couple miles.
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MACK ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 17 Nov 2009 Points: 7664 |
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I would not tow it that far, especially after setting that long. Hi and lo gears could gould to pinion shaft from lack of lub. MACK
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ABDave ![]() Silver Level ![]() Joined: 11 Feb 2013 Location: Alberta Points: 53 |
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Thanks MACK. I'm not familiar with the drive line so I thought it best to ask.
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LeonR2013 ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 Jan 2013 Location: Fulton, Mo Points: 3500 |
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Good to hear you're going to follow Mack's advice. Transmissions are so complex anymore to ever tow them. Let us know how the tractor turns out. Hope it does good.
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Tbone95 ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 31 Aug 2012 Location: Michigan Points: 12126 |
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Maybe a dumb question, but how in the heck would you steer it?
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HudCo ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 29 Jan 2013 Location: Plymouth Utah Points: 3864 |
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so what about just filling the tranny to the very top probley would not hurt every thing to soak up if it has been sitting that long leave the filler cap off or loose so it can vent good . i understand oil aint cheap but probley dosnt take to much more to way over fill it. heck a mile and a half aint far walk a long side it a herd it if you had to
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Mike Kroupa ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 02 Oct 2009 Location: pierce, ne Points: 335 |
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Addressing the steering question. There are check valves built into the circuit to contain the hyd. oil. It still takes considerable effort for the operator to steer, but it can be done. Non-operational for that long though, I would anticipate that most of the oil has bled off.
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Joe(TX) ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Weatherford. TX Points: 1682 |
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Another problem would be that you would have no brakes. They wourk off the hydraulic system.
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Tbone95 ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 31 Aug 2012 Location: Michigan Points: 12126 |
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Huh. Must be my 7045 bleeds down quick. It sat for a couple weeks, and the batteries were shot. We towed it maybe a 100 feet to get it out of the way in a hurry. It was very difficult to move the steering wheel, but I could and it had no effect. Only way I could keep it steered was jabbing the brakes.
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Brian Jasper co. Ia ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Prairie City Ia Points: 10508 |
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Just another 'what if', but what if you overfilled it like Hud said and used another tractor and you pulled it about the same speed as the average person walks? That would take a while, but just thinking out loud.
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kurtleimkuehler ![]() Bronze Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 07 Apr 2015 Location: missouri Points: 45 |
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Your in Alberta, just wait for an ice storm, put chains on your other tractor and slide it home.
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Shawn PA ![]() Silver Level ![]() Joined: 20 Sep 2009 Location: Hickory PA Points: 164 |
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The 7000 series have brakes when it's not running. I don't Kno if it sat that long? I'd be afraid of there being water in the oil and it getting mixed in the tranny or hydraulics. Just my two cents worth. Shawn
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kurtleimkuehler ![]() Bronze Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 07 Apr 2015 Location: missouri Points: 45 |
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Well were going to have to start somewhere its been sitting for twelve years in the brush.
Hire a rollback truck if your that scared or will it damage it to move it 10 ft. |
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dawntreader74 ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 28 Oct 2013 Location: Manteno Points: 1770 |
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pick the back end up with a good tow truck; bring it home' an back it in the shed. someone has to have a wrecker somewhere by you. would work just fine. thin your not moving the back wheels at all..
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MACK ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 17 Nov 2009 Points: 7664 |
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If it was here in north Mo. Yesterday, you could have slid it home on ice.lol MACK
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B26240 ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 21 Nov 2009 Location: mn Points: 3865 |
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I like the tow truck idea as it comes with two side benifits, you would be on his insurance while he is hooked up and second when you get home he could back it into shop before unhooking.
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skateboarder68 ![]() Silver Level ![]() Joined: 29 Jan 2011 Location: Keota, IA Points: 369 |
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I would just tow it home slow like 3 to 5 mph. If something bad happens I would consider it as money saved from not digging into it any deeper. Could always part it out. Some tow companies would charge a good chunk of what it's worth. Just my .02
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ABDave ![]() Silver Level ![]() Joined: 11 Feb 2013 Location: Alberta Points: 53 |
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I often help a local towing company that has a tandem rollback. I will be using that and probably have it in the shop early next week. I'll try to keep the speed down when I winch it unto the deck too.
![]() As for steering I found the steering wheel just spins without any resistance so I assume it has sat long enough for the system to have drained back.
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Orange Blood ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 29 Nov 2010 Location: ColoradoSprings Points: 4053 |
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Having had to tear a rear end apart to fix a seized high range gear on the pinion shaft, I can add that MACK as usual is dead on. The gears are pressure lubricated on that shaft, and while you can certainly pull them around the yard, I would NOT pull them down the road.
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dawntreader74 ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 28 Oct 2013 Location: Manteno Points: 1770 |
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the only right way to move that is with the wrecker' by picking it up by the back end. air up the front tires some' an your good to go..
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old farmer ![]() Silver Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Oct 2011 Location: Sturgis, Mich Points: 341 |
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You will need to find a way to lock the front tires so they don’t wander from side to side.
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dawntreader74 ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 28 Oct 2013 Location: Manteno Points: 1770 |
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wrecker man knows to put a chain an binder on the front axle to hook the steer arms together' them guys do it every day.
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ABDave ![]() Silver Level ![]() Joined: 11 Feb 2013 Location: Alberta Points: 53 |
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Well here's the latest.
I hauled it home, removed the exhaust manifold and found rust powder in the ports of numbers 3 and 4. Took the head off and found the ATF i had put in each cylinder a week ago was gone from all cylinders except number 4. Number 4 was still full of ATF but the water must have evaporated because there wasn't any ice on top of the piston. Number 3 showed signs of water having been in it, but the ATF had drained out indicating it may not be stuck as bad as 4. I tried to move the crank by way of the front pulley but it doesn't even jiggle either direction. With number 4 still being full of oil I suspect it is stuck the tightest. So, I'm hoping to disconnect the rod on number 4 and somehow push the piston and sleeve out together. Then see if number 3 will break loose. 'till later ABDave |
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kurtleimkuehler ![]() Bronze Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 07 Apr 2015 Location: missouri Points: 45 |
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so whats the signs of water they parked it cause a cracked head?
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ABDave ![]() Silver Level ![]() Joined: 11 Feb 2013 Location: Alberta Points: 53 |
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The tractor was parked due to my Uncle's bad health. It's last job was pulling a baler.
I'm waiting for the weather to improve so I can work on it again. That may happen within the next few days.
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ABDave ![]() Silver Level ![]() Joined: 11 Feb 2013 Location: Alberta Points: 53 |
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Well the weather gave me a short break (the shop is unheated) so I had the opportunity to find the problem, or problems, one might say.
Number three and four cylinders need the sleeves replaced and one piston. The other cylinders still show hone marks from an overhaul done approximately 1000 hrs before the tractor was parked. I will touch up the valves and seats, although after cleaning them they look like one would expect them to look at such low hours. Quite surprising considering water had ruined the sleeves. I damaged one piston while removing it from the sleeve, hence the need to replace only one piston. Bearing shells show almost no sign of wear. The only real shocker when it came to obtaining replacement parts was the price of new head bolts. New sleeves were $130.00 each and a used piston was $45.00, rings and gaskets another $350.00, which is reasonable, but the head bolts were $1100.00. Nature has thrown us a real curve here this spring whereby April has been unseasonably cold. As such it may be a while before I can get to reassembly.
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DrAllis ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Points: 21724 |
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Seldom have I ever replaced head bolts. Only if they are badly pitted and never a whole set. To each his own.
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SteveM C/IL ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Shelbyville IL Points: 8566 |
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I was scratching my head too.
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