Tore into the front WD hub and I am confused now.

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   Finally got around to taking the first front hub off the WD. This is the side that had been damaged before apparently, as there was a gas cap looking thing welded on the hub itself (I assume the spindle cut thru it at some point in the past, at least 30+ years ago). And the hub has a good 1/4" to 1/2" of play in and out on the spindle.

Had to go out and buy a giant wrench so I could get the hub cap off in tandem with a pry bar, and when I did, all of the thick goop came out. Castle nut was held in place with a nail instead of a cotter pin.

Here is the inside of the hub:

Here is the outside of the hub, along with what I believe to be the inner flat washer and the ... bearing spacer? Unless old felt seals were just really hard and rigid? :

Here's all the pieces that came out... The top left is the hub cap. The bottom is the inner and outer bearing. But on the upper right side is three washers that were between the castle nut and the first bearing... And that confuses the daylights out of me. I see no reason why those should have been in there.

Here's the spindle with all the parts that are laying on the board already removed -- does anything else look like it should still come off the spindle still? :

So... Anybody have any ideas where I should go from here? Next on my list is to clean everything up so I can see better any wear or damage, but the three extra washers/spacers really has me puzzled. They're definitely not on the parts manual diagram:

Edited by garden_guy - 07 Jun 2019 at 1:35pm

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garden_guy Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 05 Jul 2013 Location: Illinois Points: 1146	Post Options Post Reply Quote garden_guy Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: Tore into the front WD hub and I am confused now. Posted: 07 Jun 2019 at 1:07pm
	Finally got around to taking the first front hub off the WD. This is the side that had been damaged before apparently, as there was a gas cap looking thing welded on the hub itself (I assume the spindle cut thru it at some point in the past, at least 30+ years ago). And the hub has a good 1/4" to 1/2" of play in and out on the spindle. Had to go out and buy a giant wrench so I could get the hub cap off in tandem with a pry bar, and when I did, all of the thick goop came out. Castle nut was held in place with a nail instead of a cotter pin. Here is the inside of the hub: Here is the outside of the hub, along with what I believe to be the inner flat washer and the ... bearing spacer? Unless old felt seals were just really hard and rigid? : Here's all the pieces that came out... The top left is the hub cap. The bottom is the inner and outer bearing. But on the upper right side is three washers that were between the castle nut and the first bearing... And that confuses the daylights out of me. I see no reason why those should have been in there. Here's the spindle with all the parts that are laying on the board already removed -- does anything else look like it should still come off the spindle still? : So... Anybody have any ideas where I should go from here? Next on my list is to clean everything up so I can see better any wear or damage, but the three extra washers/spacers really has me puzzled. They're definitely not on the parts manual diagram: Edited by garden_guy - 07 Jun 2019 at 1:35pm

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PaulB Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Rocky Ridge Md Points: 4939	Post Options Post Reply Quote PaulB Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 07 Jun 2019 at 1:42pm
	Really you need a new hub. I think I may have a NOS one.
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bradley6874 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 05 Sep 2010 Location: salisbury md Points: 1349	Post Options Post Reply Quote bradley6874 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 07 Jun 2019 at 1:52pm
	Clean everything up you probably find the bearings fall apart in your hand while cleaning it not check the race in the hub dry fit it back together without the seals and you will probably see that the bearings go to far in and that’s why the extra washers the more it where’s and farmer adjusted it eventually it hits the cap and cuts a grove through or one of the races probably the back one has spun and messed the shoulder up
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bradley6874 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 05 Sep 2010 Location: salisbury md Points: 1349	Post Options Post Reply Quote bradley6874 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 07 Jun 2019 at 1:57pm
	Ps we need a better picture of the cap that’s a definite farmer fix and I would def put it back on. That’s true grit carrictor there
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TramwayGuy Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Access Joined: 19 Jan 2010 Location: Northern NY Points: 11655	Post Options Post Reply Quote TramwayGuy Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 07 Jun 2019 at 4:09pm
	We had one where the inner cup spun inside the hub and it could not adjusted anymore. You either replace the hub then, or machine the hub oversize and make a sleeve for it to fit the bearing cup. Not cheap.

Sugarmaker Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 12 Jul 2013 Location: Albion PA Points: 8433	Post Options Post Reply Quote Sugarmaker Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 07 Jun 2019 at 9:26pm
	gg, Clean all the parts, even the extra ones. Yes may have extra washers added to try to save buying a new bearing??? The spindle looks pretty good. if the outer races are OK and the hub isn't wallowed out you might just need bearings? By the way, the nail is standard equipment! Regards, Chris
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DaveKamp Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Access Joined: 12 Apr 2010 Location: LeClaire, Ia Points: 5971	Post Options Post Reply Quote DaveKamp Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 08 Jun 2019 at 10:42am
	Hee hee... Well G-G... I'm betting that some feller was out in a field trying to beat the rain, and something happened, and he did whatever he did to get it home, and either forgot all about it, grew old, and died... or figured that he'd hafta return to it later when his resources allowed, and he just bought another tractor... I think that all needs to be cleaned up really, really well... then inspect that spindle really close for damage, and if it's still service-worthy, put a replacement hub, with new bearings, seals, etc., on it... And mount the old one on a piece of precision cut, edge-shaped, hand-rubbed oiled mahogany, with a brass tag that says "WTF?", and hang it on your man-cave wall.
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garden_guy Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 05 Jul 2013 Location: Illinois Points: 1146	Post Options Post Reply Quote garden_guy Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 09 Jun 2019 at 1:09pm
	Thank you so much for all the great information everyone. So I have brand new bearings and other parts to put inside the hubs, but I was hoping the original hubs would be salvageable. Are there any dimensions or wear marks to check for once I knock the old races out? I bought a punch so I can remove the old races. Going to clean everything up and see what kind of wear and other damage I have (such as on the splindles and the threads and inside the hubs). Any critical dimensions to watch for? It is just crazy to me with those three extra washers, that I still had like 1/2" of side to side play in this wheel hub. And the other side does it to (though the cap never was welded on). bradley6874 -- Once I get the cap cleaned up I will take a pic of it! Sugarmaker -- Glad that the spindle seems to be in good shape, I was afraid with the play that they would be toast. DaveKamp / PaulB / TramwayGuy -- Definitely curious what I'll find inside the hubs now once I knock the old races out. And oh man, I've found so many nails in place of cotter pins on all my stuff... Or baling wire on the carb linkages!