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    Posted: 23 Feb 2023 at 10:21pm
 How friggin cold a shower can get when the friggin water heater runs out of hot water,,,let alone "warm" water,,,,?? Well, my water heater quit again and I had no idea til I was bout halfway thru my shower and it started to get warm,,,then cool THEN COLD,,,THEN FREEZING,!!!  and it bout 42° outside, I broke and run and jumped under the covers all the time trying to turn the electric heater on and,,,,and,,,after knocking the friggin thing down on the floor a few times finally got it going. I want ya'll to KNOW my teeth hurt plumb fierce now from me clinching em so hard from the cold. Them boys at Home Depot best get ready as this Dude is some pizzed OFF,,,,( I think my room is up to bout 85°,,,right nice and toasty,,,,LOLLOL I'm OK now,,,,,Wink
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Brother Joe, I feel your pain. Mine was by my own doing. When we first moved in the water heater didn't work. Had the option to go to the in-laws and take a shower, but, "oh hell no. I'm going to take a shower in my house". My teeth chattered a WHILE that night. Wife kept asking if I was cold. I kept giving the age old middle school "NO" between the chatters. Ah the good ole days

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Oh I gots an idea.
We bought a new 40 gallon Rheem electric at Homedepot.
It was turned all the way up but didn’t get very hot. I broke off a safety tab so I could turn it hotter.
It gets hot but not very hot and better shower quick and it only fills a standard tub maybe 4” deep with hot water on straight hot.
Piece of crap but Jenny won’t let me replace it yet.
After a long cold day I want a long hot shower to get warm.
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Are you sure you are actually getting 240 volts to the water heater? 

We had a similar situation. Our old water heater wasn't getting very hot and we quickly ran out of hot water. Since it was old, we decided to replace it rather than dump money into it. The new replacement water heater did exactly the same thing. Apparently, one side of the circuit breaker was bad and we were only getting 120 volts. A new breaker and we had plenty of hot water!
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Glad you lived thru it Joe.
Been there a time or two. The last time was the wife yelling at me
and I was supposed magically pull something out of my ass to fix it.

I did but it took a couple of days for Amazon to get here. 2 elements and another rod and drain the crud out of it,.
Could have done something sooner but...you talk to the maintenance guy like that you are going to get some negative compliance. I took showers anyway. It will definitely wake your happy ass up. Lets say the relationship between the lady with the pointy finger and the grounds crew have improved dramatically. 
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 Thing IS, Thad, I bought it at Home depot with the 3 year extended warranty,,,AND still has 2 years of THAT left,,,Only'ist thing the outfit with the ex Warrantee is a fly-by-nite warranty co that first wanted ME to replace the main gas control valve which they did supply followed by the "cappillary tube",,,,,I screwed up by not insisting they replace the whole heater right off the bat but me being the good old boy that I am, I went along with THEIR attempts to salvage the friggin heater!! The Ex-warranty co NOW wants ME to "find"  a "Wholesale Supply Co" in my area to return the friggin heater yet they cannot tell me where closest one IS,,!!ne is,,,Aint that a crock of chit? 
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Get rid of that Rheem and install a Bradford White!!!
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Originally posted by desertjoe desertjoe wrote:


 Thing IS, Thad, I bought it at Home depot with the 3 year extended warranty,,,AND still has 2 years of THAT left,,,Only'ist thing the outfit with the ex Warrantee is a fly-by-nite warranty co that first wanted ME to replace the main gas control valve which they did supply followed by the "cappillary tube",,,,,I screwed up by not insisting they replace the whole heater right off the bat but me being the good old boy that I am, I went along with THEIR attempts to salvage the friggin heater!! The Ex-warranty co NOW wants ME to "find"  a "Wholesale Supply Co" in my area to return the friggin heater yet they cannot tell me where closest one IS,,!!ne is,,,Aint that a crock of chit? 

And I should have replaced immediately. Ours is out of warranty now.
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Originally posted by Pat the Plumber CIL Pat the Plumber CIL wrote:

Get rid of that Rheem and install a Bradford White!!!

Will do.
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Joe... some wemmun like that ice water !
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OOOOOhhhhh CHIT,,,,Steve,,that right there would ruin any chance of being able to rise to the occasion,,,,it'd take some real close "looking" to even err,,,never mind,,,,LOLLOL Nice gloves, tho,,,


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So the rheems have turned into crapola appliances now. got an old rheem that has been here since I can remember. ... 67+ years
 Pat, what makes them Bradford Whites better?
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Govt made manufacturers change combustion chamber from open to closed . People bring flammable materials into their homes, gas ,enamel paint etc ,etc. Flammable gases are heavy and creep over to standing pilot and ignite. Since 2002 all gas ,propane water heaters have closed combustion chambers that have sensors to shut down if chamber gets too hot. Usually gets too hot from screen in bottom clogging. Bradford White uses the entire bottom of the combustion chamber as a screen. Every other manufacturer has a small screen in the bottom which clogs much easier than a Bradford White. Rheem and Richmond have a glass capsule which holds the screen open. If it gets too hot the capsule breaks and the screen closes. Wait 7 to 10 days for them to send you one and a major pain th change. Not sure if Every Rheem is set up that way but have worked on a few.
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 We have a 80 gallon electric hot water heater and have no problems with running out of hot water
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I will no longer buy fixtures or appliances from Home Depot. They do not deal with warrantee issues, they make you deal directly with the manufacturer. I had issues with the flip/flop thermostat on a new Rheem hot water tank and had to deal directly with Rheem. I had a lot of trouble convincing them that their thermostat was faulty before they finally sent a new one. 
We moved to a new to us home and went to HD and bought two American Standard taller WC's to replace the shorter WC's in the house. Again many warrantee problems. 
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Originally posted by JC-WI JC-WI wrote:

So the rheems have turned into crapola appliances now. got an old rheem that has been here since I can remember. ... 67+ years
 Pat, what makes them Bradford Whites better?

JC ours is a 40 gallon electric. The Rheems had good reviews when we bought it. I should have immediately done something. It never had gotten very hot and capacity is less than half what our old 30 gallon was.
I’ve always wondered if one element was bad?
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Thad.. shut off the power.. pull the tin square cover off that covers the upper and lower heaters.... take one of the wires off the heating element.. Measure continuity ( resistance - OHMS) across the two terminals of the element. ... If its OPEN, its no good.

some of them new ones got more of a BRAIN that tells them when to turn on and off and work together or separate.... The "OLD TYPE" just turn on / off when the water is cool/ hot.




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Pat, i am not familiar with the "NEW" gas water heaters with the SCREEN you talk about.. Can the screen be eliminated, or is there some type of diff Pressure switch inside ?  Seems like if the screen was the problem a HOME OWNER could eliminate it ?
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I've owned electric water heater, rented a gas water heater, owned a gas water heater and went back to renting a gas water heater, It's less than $25 a month. Got 10 yeras out of the last one...hmm...cool water.. made the call, next day 2 guys replaced it free of charge in less than an hour. They said a 'tube' probably had fallen off inside.
Maybe owning is cheaper but ..... I can't legally install/fix gas water heaters, can't even buy HVAC parts without a license up here, north of the 49th....
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 Well, since I been having all kinds of friggin GRIEF with water heaters I'll add my two pennies.  I finally got CHIT full with all the excuses from Home depot, RHEEM and the warrantee outfit co. Home depot sells the extended warrantee to one of several warrantee companys all over. HD sent me to RHEEM for repairs/ replacement under the extended warranty and Rheem sent me a new Gas Contril valve which I should NOT have accepted but all I wanted was some hot water. when that failed HD then sent me to RHEEM and they sent me to "Wholesale Supply Co" who told eme I had to contact a licensed plumber to remove and and replace with a new heater,,,,BUT,,,"MY COST" for that little tidbit would be $285,,,!!! WTF, I tell the dude that charge should be paid by the warrantee company and they would NOT comwe out to start the process untill I paid the ransom FIRST,!!
 Finally got SO friggin pissed off I show up at Home Depot at first light this morning and Was I pissed!! I LOUDLY demanded to see the manager to the point that a few ladies started to run off thinking there was fixin to be a possible terrotist happening as I noticed I had forgot to comb my hair,,,,,well, the assistant Manager was a cute girl bought 25  and after I got just halfway thru my long winded dissatation she asked me if I wanted a brand new replacement water heater,,??,so I handed her all my papers, grinned some sheepishly and swallowed a couple of times to regain my purpose and just nodded,,,She tells me well, you just go bring that bad boy heater back to me and I;ll have my men load you an brand new water heater in your truck,,Is there anything else I could do for you,She breathes thru her nose,,,,,,,Chit guys,,,I could not help from noddin,,,, like one of them toys you put on the dashboards ,,,,,WinkWink I'm thinkin I'm gonna start trading with Home depot again,,,,,LOL
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Now take that "removed" heater out to the shop and remove all the funny gizzmos and turn it into a 1980 style heater !!   Thermostat  / valve and thermocouple of the OLD STYLE !!!  Clap

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 Well, Steve,,,you knowin me,,with my engineering mind,,,I can most times want to "modify" some things for a better performing status aannnd ussually doesperform better. These days, everything manufactored for humans has so many "SAFTY" features built in for the dummies of the world,,,!!
 The "screen" referred to here is actually a perforated part of the metal cover of the btm section of the heater ccover that houses the burner section of the heater. the perforated holes are sized (3/16" to provide controlled outside combustion air to burner. UNDER the burner, there is a glass vial about half full of some heavy liquid mounted in a small frame and based on the amount of combustion air available to the burner causes the vial to break, dump the heavy fluid (Not Mercury)  and trip a wire and shut the gas flow to burner!! I had to dismantle all this garbage to verify the glass vial had NOT broke to stop gas flow to burner,,,altho, I think somehow this Safety BS had been compromised is why the heater would shut itself down sporadically AND always when I wanted to take a shower. All this burner assy is kept in a controlled area that includes a rubber gasket to maintain a certain amt of combustian air,,,,? My thoughts are that this heater could be "modified" to operate successfully by throwing all that safety BS away CHIT water heaters operated for YEARS without all this,,,but The sweet young asst manager told me I HAD to return the "FAULTY" heater,,,,Who Am I to argue with such a lady,,,,??Big smileBig smile
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We have a 80gal hot water heater, primary reason for size was a source to redirect superheat off Ground Source in summer and some in winter where that creates our hot water. Know that as turned breaker off for close to four months and did not lose HW. Breaker is on as a backup as will not heat sufficiently in Spring or Fall when ground source does not run that often.

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Jay I didn't know you could rent a water heater.
Last one I bought was 10 years ago for $250 electric.
Now I have to go downstairs to see if it's leaking all over the basement floor
since I said something about it.
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 Hey Fixer,,,Yeah, I caught that too but did not want to comment just yet,,,seein as how I likes ole Jay,,,,Wink Have ya'll noticed the price on water heaters??????? Jimminny!!!!  cheeepest one HD got is almost $700,,,WOW,,,I'll wager ole Brando,,,,er,,,,,like ole Shamless likes to say,,,,,never mind,,,!!

  SAY,,,on a side,,,has anyone heard from ole Shameless??   I'm thinking his "trouble Maker" has been overwhelmed by them aliens or maybe some of them balloons from Hobby Lobby,,,,??LOL
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Joe, you going to see if you can update to a Bradford-White when you bring in the old rheem?

Sounds like thet  girl at HD kinda got you like this vid... LOL
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 Well Guys,,I have a bit of an update   So, I take the water heater yet again out of it's cubbyhole and got it to Home depot,,,,BUT,,,the asst manager is not there as she is in other dept puttin out fires over there,,, I wind up with one of them domineering type woman that likes to abuse men (plus she is ugly also) and after I show her all the paperwork including the email from HD corporate and RHEEM approving the replacement she STILL insists she cannot find the SN of my heater in HD's records,,,WTF,,I am already doing a slow burn and finally after 36 minutes I insist to talk with Ellie the asst manager and After another hour wait she finnaly shows up at service desk and gets on computor and finds the SN AND discovers that RHEEM had issued a RECALL for this model is why it was not showin up, so she approves a complete refund! WHY didn't the friggin MAN HATER do that?? She issues me Store credit for original $394 which I did not agree with but gives me a starting point to get me a new heater! MY SHOCK is when I go look at the new ones,,,,,,the cheepist one is $763,,,yes,,$763!!! """"TWICE"""" what I paid and brandon keeps telling me the economy is doing great????? 
 Well, seeing as I HATE cold showers, I swallow my distrust of all things economy, I paid em and got home quick as I could,,,,,soon as it warms some,,I'm gonna go give it another try,,,,,,,   Wish me luck, I could use some,,,,,Wink
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1 month ago.........

ATLANTA, Ga. (CBS46) - Rheem Manufacturing has said little about the residential water heater problem its been having throughout the pandemic, but if you ask customers and plumbers, they know all about the issue.

On Thursday, Rheem released a statement to CBS46 confirming that a “small percentage” of residential water heaters produced in 2020-2021 have a problem with a gas valve preventing the pilot light from igniting. Although, it’s unclear exactly how many water heaters have the problem, and where they were all installed.
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