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FREEDGUY 
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 Topic: Engine Embarrassment !!
Posted: 03 Apr 2021 at 4:57pm |
I stopped in to a friend of mine that runs 3 GM products (2 Chevy Taho's and a Denali). These are '05-06 model year V-8's (vortex was on the top cover). He was swapping out batteries from one buggy to another as one will be on the market soon, but my point is , I COULD SEE THE PLUGS AND COIL PACKS !!!!! WTF was/is FORD thinking (I run one  ) with their "hidden" plugs ???
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Posted: 03 Apr 2021 at 5:00pm |
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Are complaining about Ford, or Gooberment Motors?
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I tried to follow the science, but it was not there. I then followed the money, and that’s where I found the science.
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Posted: 03 Apr 2021 at 5:27pm |
The FMC (Motorcraft) fiasco with the HIDDEN SNAP OFF plugs and ALMOST as inaccessible coil packs  !! I was mortified when I could SEE the plugs (and reach them from the ground  ) PLUS the coils out in the open !!!
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Posted: 03 Apr 2021 at 5:28pm |
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ALL Newer cars and light trucks with gas engines have Multi Pack Coils, you been hiding in a cave too long.
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Posted: 03 Apr 2021 at 5:29pm |
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Posted: 03 Apr 2021 at 5:47pm |
[QUOTE=DMiller]ALL Newer cars and light trucks with gas engines have Multi Pack Coils, you been hiding in a cave too long.[/QUOTE You are COMPLETELY missing my point !! Even my 1985 Evinrude outboard has coil packs  !! Ford chose to hide theirs under hoses/wiring/intake covers !! my friends GM plugs/coils are IN PLAIN VIEW !!!!!! And can be accessed from the ground !!!! |
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Posted: 03 Apr 2021 at 5:51pm |
Sounds like you and gm are cut from the same cloth...
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Posted: 03 Apr 2021 at 5:58pm |
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From the same guy that was amazed livestock would be shipped by boat
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Posted: 03 Apr 2021 at 6:08pm |
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From the same guy that was amazed livestock would be shipped by boat |
Did you know that livestock was ???
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Posted: 03 Apr 2021 at 6:10pm |
DiyDave wrote:
Sounds like you and gm are cut from the same cloth... |
Apparently your a Ford guy and LOVE bloody knuckles getting coils/plugs out of a dark abyss ??
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Posted: 03 Apr 2021 at 6:14pm |
them fancy 300K 4n sports cars hide the entire ENGINE under a sheet of 'plastic'..... so 'detroit' is following them ?? ever since 'computers' got cheap, 'they' keep finding ways to make cars even cheaper to build. little things ,like get rid of the distributor,plug wires, couple of gears, two handfuls of mechanical parts chops a lot of weight and 'finicky' parts to make,ship,store,install, etc. A 10 cent computer replaces it all, weighs all of 2 feathers..... increase profit margins, not MPGs....
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Posted: 03 Apr 2021 at 6:20pm |
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I had a 2001 and 2002 F150 with the 5.4 motor.... I will admit the plugs are harder to get to than my 2013 Turbo Ecoboost. I changed the plugs in it in 45 minutes... That being said, the 5.4 motor takes about twice as long.. Coils are not difficult to get to.. Plugs are recessed in the head and the back one on each side is a slight challenge, but not what i would call difficult. ......... that motor has been out of production since 2010.
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Posted: 03 Apr 2021 at 7:21pm |
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Yes freedguy I knew that,how did you think horses, cattle ,pigs and chickens got to north america
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Posted: 03 Apr 2021 at 7:43pm |
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By the way, they even fly some if they are special and the owner has the money.
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Posted: 04 Apr 2021 at 6:52am |
WTF was/is FORD thinking
I say that everyday...but then again if it wasn't for Fords all the techs would starve 
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Posted: 04 Apr 2021 at 6:57am |
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Odd in that the Local Garages bemoan GMs and state OPENLY Fords just are not that bad to end up in their shops. Check the lots around the garages around the area and nearly all have 3-1 GMs to any other make.
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Posted: 04 Apr 2021 at 7:43am |
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At least Ford didn’t go begging hat in hand to the Federal Gooferment wanting their sorry asses bailed out.
I for one, will never forgive them for that. GM is dead to me.
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I tried to follow the science, but it was not there. I then followed the money, and that’s where I found the science.
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Posted: 04 Apr 2021 at 8:47am |
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I had too many engine and transmission problems with Chevy in the 1975- 1985 era... Switched to FORD and never looked back. I do all my own small general maintenace. Never been to a dealer or private shop.. Never needed any major work.
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Posted: 04 Apr 2021 at 11:11am |
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When I was turning wrenches for a living, repairing Ford trucks was some of the easiest money you could make (unless doing heavy engine work). Ford cars on the other hand seemed to be that there was a simple way to do things or the Ford way to do things.
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Posted: 04 Apr 2021 at 1:00pm |
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My 2000 Tundra had the coil pack on the top of the plug. There was a long tube the went down to the plug. the plugs were a little difficult to start but with a piece of 1/4' hose it wasn't too difficult. The only one that was sorta difficult was the one behind the master cylinder. If I had longer legs, I could have changed them in half an hour. Probably two hour stopping and talking and drinking something!
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Posted: 04 Apr 2021 at 2:28pm |
Lars(wi) wrote:
At least Ford didn’t go begging hat in hand to the Federal Gooferment wanting their sorry asses bailed out.
I for one, will never forgive them for that. GM is dead to me. |
Seems like Chrysler paid back a WHOLE lot sooner than GM ??
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Posted: 04 Apr 2021 at 2:33pm |
Again, the point of my post was the EASE/ACCESSIBILITY to the plugs,wires and coil packs on the GM 5.3 engine in the 2005-2007 era of engines !!! I said NOTHING about tranny/drive case/ body panel/rust issues  !!!
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Posted: 04 Apr 2021 at 3:10pm |
SO your who point was dont buy a FORD because it takes 90 minutes to change out a set of coils and plugs once every 100,000 miles ? I think i got more important problems to worry about !... Like ENGINE, TRANSMISSION, BODY RUST
Loosing 50 pounds of BEER GUT would help a bunch on getting to those plugs! 
Edited by steve(ill) - 04 Apr 2021 at 3:11pm
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Posted: 04 Apr 2021 at 3:13pm |
Where did I infer that Steve ?? The BEETS rumbling in your tummy tonight ??
If I lost 50 #'s, I'd only weigh 154 #'s at 54 years old !! Ford should have never buried a simple part is my point  !!
Edited by FREEDGUY - 04 Apr 2021 at 3:18pm
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Posted: 04 Apr 2021 at 3:15pm |
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Posted: 04 Apr 2021 at 5:09pm |
Lars(wi) wrote:
At least Ford didn’t go begging hat in hand to the Federal Gooferment wanting their sorry asses bailed out.
I for one, will never forgive them for that. GM is dead to me. |
GM's "bankruptcy" on loans from the federal government was only a small fraction of how GM stiffed the taxpayers. Locally, the Massena NY GM plant operated from the late 50's until 2009. GM closed the plant, laid off, or transferred all the employees and dumped the Superfund cleanup of the PCB contaminated plant in the lap of the EPA. GM paid about $121 million of the $500 million price tag. You and I paid the rest. That is in addition to the loans that were forgiven. I won't buy a GM product either !
Edited by WF owner - 04 Apr 2021 at 5:10pm
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Posted: 04 Apr 2021 at 10:02pm |
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WF, your talking politics here...
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Posted: 05 Apr 2021 at 4:48am |
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Just replaced brakes on a 2010 Impala I bought New. Took me just under two hours all four wheels where the first round of this at 80K was with a torch a breaker bar and a pipe cheater to bust the severe level of loctite loose taking FOUR Hours where a 1/2" impact wrench was doing NOTHING, bolts had been dipped to bottom of heads in Yellow(SEIZE it Forever) Loctite. This time was not as bad HOWEVER the Fords I have had did NOT require brakes due to the same reason IE: severely warped rotors and generally within 40k miles dragged out to at most 80k, car now has 156k on it. Pads have NEVER been more than 50% worn. Car has been a Money Pit for small stuff, switches, trim pieces, exterior trim retainers, seats falling apart and I hear the same of the light trucks line. BTW Rust has begun to take it too where it has been washed EVERY Month of its life.
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Posted: 05 Apr 2021 at 5:45am |
For me, the 'deal' with coil packs,ALL brands, is that NONE of them should FAIL !!!
All those who have 30-40-50 year old mowers STILL running, raise your hands ! Yup, ther's a LOT of us, right !!
prop plane engines very,very seldom have mags fail......
cynically say I, the main reason auto coils fail.... to make MONEY !!
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Posted: 05 Apr 2021 at 4:13pm |
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Better termed, "Planned Obsolescence", NOTHING designed to last more than a few years, degrades rapidly at that level where after nine years and new model changes the old stuff becomes second rate aftermarket only as OEM Supplies dry up. Been on that Bronco Ride since 1975. GM had held out the longest but now as time and management wears on, the days of consistently being able to purchase OEM for 20-40 year machines is coming to a close, Crate Engines are on a Short List to appease EPA.
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