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    Posted: 06 Feb 2017 at 6:40pm
Reading 79fordblake's post about his problem with his newly overhauled WD45 smoking and acd21man's post about snap-coupler bog harrows reminded me of a couple AC memories.

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In high school, there were a bunch of us farm guys that hung around and bragged about our tractors. One, all through high school, bragged incessantly about their "big M", to the point that we were all sick of it.

When we graduated in 1973, I had been involved, locally, in field stock pulling for a couple years. I chided him to take the "big M" to a local pull and I would take Dad's WD45. He finally agreed. Since the 5500 lb. class was the smallest, I had to add quite a few weights, but the "big M' had to go on a diet to get it in. He could only run a couple gallons of gas.

"Someone" (who shall remain nameless!) poured a quart of 2 cycle oil in the gas tank of the "big M". (Of course, a quart of oil was 50 cents back then.) When he came out to pull, it was smoking like a snowsled of that era. I trimmed him pretty good and that was the end of his pulling career. (When he got home, his father was sure he had broken something pulling!)

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Our (Dad's) farm was heavy clay.

When I was about 12 or 13, I went out and harrowed a field when it was too wet. The sun came out and baked the chunks of wet clay. The whole field was like cobblestones. Our little set of McCormick harrows would just roll over the chunks.

We had a neighbor (two bothers) that had a set of snap-coupler bog harrows. Dad arranged to borrow the bog harrows and sent me down with the WD45 to pick them up.

I was warned that they were heavy, but I didn't realize how heavy they were. I had to cross a set of (pretty smooth)railroad tracks on the way home. When I hit the tracks, the front wheels of the WD45 came in the air and the harrows hit the road. I about filled my drawers right there!

I was a little more careful after that!

I'm sure there are a lot of you that grew up on AC tractors that have stories!
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Wf, I know all about that light front end stuff. We had a wd45 that we would put a 4 section mounted rotary hoe on. Talk bout light front end. Only way to steer it was using the brakes.
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Dad had a WD45 with a snap coupler 3 bottom plow he had stretched out to 16 in. and his brother had an M Farmall with 3-16 pull type plow. They of course both claimed to have the better tractor so one spring about 1960 they decided to see which one could out plow the other. The field was 1/4 mile long and Dad would lap the M about every 5 rounds. That was the end of that controversy. The M would do better disking though until dad put a set of duals on the 45. I've always thought the WD-45 and the M Farmall were the best sounding tractors. Seems like you can always identify them just by the sound.
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Good stories guys. Thanks for sharing.
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A few months back, Dad (turns 80 next week) started talking about what we ran on the farm and one story came up about that tough little CA. I've relayed before about the Ford 5000 owner that was teasing him at the local garage while he was buttoning it up after the new clutch. Pulled it out of the shop after a few adjustments and went to re-mounting the loader, Ford fella was inside bragging to the owner about his new Ford as he drove over from his place next door. Ford owner went to leave and found his Ford 5000 rear up on blocks with the tires off the ground, Dad did it with his CA and just left for home.
The story he never told us was while us boys were at school one day, he decided to move a very large rock from the barnyard and flipped the CA on it's side when the front spindle broke. Called the local field welder everybody used for plow repairs and general farm stuff and together they tied off on the bucket frame, rolled it back over with the D15, welded it up and we boys never knew about it. We had about every attachment A-C made for it and it was only a few years old when he got it with the farm. We still chuckle at how the old CA used to "rock" and surge, pulling a NH 77 baler with Wisconsin engine in heavy windrows dropping bales on the ground. I don't know what us boys hated more, picking rocks or picking up those bales to load wagons on those steep hills.
That tractor is still running in that area but the mid/rear cultivators, SC plows, belly mounted sickle mower all went for scrap as we sold the farm in 79.
Wish I had all those attachments now.
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I could read these stories all day...just love them.  Thanks for sharing your memories.
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My dad had a AC CA it help plow, planted and cultivated the corn and mowed the hay with a cycle bar mower, my Grandfather had a WC it had a mounted picker and also was used to cultivate& rake hay with aAC pto rake, my uncle had a WD it was used to plow and run the AC roto baler. I learned to drive on the CA, used to plow corn & mow hay.
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Back in the early 70s my Dad still was farming and also had his repair shop a neighbor owed my dad some money for some repair work he had done so he said he would come and help dad plow in the evenings.This guy always was dreaming about those mighty green machines he had a 620 jd he said that that sand on that farm that should plow easy. The first thing he found out it wasn't sand and the next thing he found out that mighty 620 could not stay with my dads 38 WC ! The 620 was pulling 3 -14s dad was pulling 2-16s for every round they would make on a 90 rod field dad would catch up with him on the secound round so dad had to switch with him on the end or the field.  He did make much fun of the old WC after that but we didn't let him forget about that either.LOL 
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With me it happened the time Harry Scheulen had me start his 180 diesel to take it to the farm in Freeburg, hit that button and that 301 came alive, never forget the moment,, she was turned up and had that awesome sound
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Hello, WF owner.  I also graduated high school in 1973 & have a pair of WF's.  One unstyled.  The other styled & in need of TLC but all there.  My brothers & I grew up on the hill overlooking our creek bottom fields.  Grew up with 2 WD's, which I've restored & still have.  Those poor WD's!  Our dad was not big on maintenance or proper care.  And us boys couldn't resist the urge to "cowboy".  Yet the WD's survived all of our abuse & neglect.  In 1970 we built a new house right at the top of the hill overlooking the bottoms.  The back yard sloped off down the hill.  We were landscaping with railroad ties.  Dad had some ties on the loader on the narrow front WD.  As my brother & I watched as the WD rolled over & came to a stop exactly upside down.  And still running!  Luckily Dad bailed off the back before it rolled all the way over.  One day we were putting up hay in a field above the flood line.  Brother Dave was  ahead of a friend & me on the 2nd WD.  Dave was in "cowboy" mode driving down the hill on the road.  Dave turned left into the field road & the WD's left rear wheel came way up off the ground!  My friend & I thought he as going all the way over for sure.  Ah, the good old days.  Lucky we all survived!
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my brother decided to buy my uncles 961 ford, he had it for a long time on the dairy farm he did a restoration on it, my other brother decided to take it for a spin and the steering wheel nut was not tightend, down the drivway he went until the steering wheeel came off. he bailed form the tractor becausse it was heading for the ditch. the 961 procedded through the neighbors fence and into a 80 acre corn feild, teh corn was 7 ft tall. the 961 was on its own doing circles a for about 20 minutes. it finnally came out to the ditch where it spun out trying to get on the road, one of the guys slimbed on and shut it down. looked like the largest corn maze in iowa. turned into insurance and covered the neighbors corn loss. funny now but was a little crazy at the time
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When I was on the farm in the 50s all of our barns had been built years earlier, we rented several because the people went to the big cities for better paying jobs. the barns had stanchions on the 1st level and most of them had dirt ramps and bridges to access the upper level haymows. we would have to back the hay loads up into the upper level. some the wagons sat in tandem and others side buy side. One time I was backing the second wagon in and it was tight. When I was almost in I glanced down at the right wheel and I could not see the bridge. Eow!  I was sure glad that 45 had wide tires, cause it was only on the bridge by 2"s. It's amazing I ever survived the dangers.
    The times the hitches broke and lost wagons loaded with hay or wheat, trying to go up hills and not having enough power to do it safely. Pulling my boss out of the chopper, he got his little finger caught in the pickup chain and could not get it out. he was strong enough to make the clutch slip till I got the tractor stopped. crushed his finger.
    One time we took an 18 month old Jersey heifer 90 miles to Vermont in the back seat of 48 chev. Co worker bought it, he went back to college, lived in Vermont, had to rope head of heifer so we could pull it down when the troopers were around.
    Our land had rocks you would not believe. Most kids dreamed of having a pickup, I always wanted a rock picker. The fence rows had stone wall fences, but they were 50 foot wide from all the rocks that were moved off of the fields. some fields had limestone ledges and when we plowed we would break off a ledge. they would be bigger than a wagon and had to  chain them and drag them off to the fence line.
     
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Originally posted by d17brown d17brown wrote:

my brother decided to buy my uncles 961 ford, he had it for a long time on the dairy farm he did a restoration on it, my other brother decided to take it for a spin and the steering wheel nut was not tightend, down the drivway he went until the steering wheeel came off. he bailed form the tractor becausse it was heading for the ditch. the 961 procedded through the neighbors fence and into a 80 acre corn feild, teh corn was 7 ft tall. the 961 was on its own doing circles a for about 20 minutes. it finnally came out to the ditch where it spun out trying to get on the road, one of the guys slimbed on and shut it down. looked like the largest corn maze in iowa. turned into insurance and covered the neighbors corn loss. funny now but was a little crazy at the time

Sounds like there was a loose nut, behind the wheel.  Happens a lot on fords...Wink
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As they say in Mini-soda.........UFF DA!!!
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It must have been about 1960, when I would have been 7 years old, Dad was gonna plow the garden patch with the CA. He had the pick up plow attached and I got on the left fender while brother Jim got on the right. I held on to the Heat houser bracket on the steering support and the fender. Jim held on to the hand clutch and the front of the fender. There must have been a tuff spot on the east end, cause Dad turned in and dropped the plow once, and the CA spun then took off. Well when it spun, Jim kinda lurched forward and when it took off, he lurched back. Of course when he went back, so did the hand clutch, and the tractor stopped, throwing him forward, which sent the CA on down the furrow. I think it did this 3 times, pulling the front end off each time, before Dad grabbed Jim by the back of his shirt and held him forward so the CA could finish it's work.That was probably more use than the hand clutch had seen in it's life time Big smile
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I remember one time that my cousin was bringing a FULL load of (small) bales, but a wagon FULL, down what we called the BIG HILL.....Anyway, we were using a shoe on the wagon and as soon as that wagon tongue hit the outside rear tire, he laid that throttle down ALL THE WAY and away we went down the hill..... If he hadn't a done that, we'd a rolled the wagon and the WD45 both and I prolly wouldn't be telling you this........  I  ALWAYS said, "wear dark brown pants.....nobody will notice........"
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   About 1970 dad was getting ready to plow the garden with the 856, I was on one fender and twin brother Mark on the other. Dad lets off the clutch and Mark dropped straight down under the tire. If dad had not hit the clutch pedal as fast as he did, we would have "planted" brother one way or the other. I can still see it happening as if was yesterday.
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a "shoe" on the wagon? off center hitch?
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when I was about 12 years old, I was taking a wagon load of ground corn into the cow yard, passing one corn crib. got in, unhooked the wagon and on the way back out there were a bunch of PO'd swallows flying around that old crib, driving up and down, one was a better shot than the others and smacked me right square on the forehead. and with my eyes all teared up, ran that VAC Case smack into that corn crib! crushed the grill, and poked a hole in the radiator. dad wasn't mad....he was P*SSED! lol he fixed the radiator somehow with a pliers, and us boys pounded the grill sorta back out!  
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No Shameless, a shoe (what we called it) was used on a hill to slow down a piece of equipment so it didn't PUSH the tractor down the hill.  It was a piece of iron about 18" long x 10, 12" wide, with the front slightly bent upward and then sides about 2" high welded on.  You put a rope through a hole in the front (upward bent piece) and then you would put the 'shoe' under the tire of the wagon and tied the rope to the wagon so the 'shoe' couldn't slip out.  It would help 'slow' the wagon (or other equipment) going down hill.  Otherwise a HEAVY load would tend to PUSH the tractor or try to PASS the tractor when going straight down the hill.
Some of our hill around here (WE call em bluffs) you HAVE to go straight down the hill or you'd roll right over...

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Ted,
So would the shoe be placed under the tire (like a friction ski) and prevent the rear wheels from turning?  (Would the wagon then skid rather than roll down the hill)?  I think I saw something similar on old horse drawn wagons.
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When I was ~10, my grandfather, uncle and Dad all worked together haying. One day they were shorthanded and there was a lot of hay to rake. I repeatedly begged to do the raking. I had a lot of fender hours and some driving with an adult riding with me, but had never been trusted alone.

My grandfather helped my cause and I was allowed to rake with my grandfather's WF. (I had to hold on to the steering wheel with both hands to push the clutch!) I was told that if I went crooked, I was all done. I can assure you the windrows were perfectly straight and my tractor driving career was started. At 61 years old, I still love to drive tractor (or anything) as much as I did that day.

A few years ago, I became the owner of that WF, along with two other WF's I have acquired. It is in several pieces in the shop (rear end, transmission, front end, frame rails, platform, all the sheet metal and the engine which I am rebuilding). Some have been cleaned and rebuilt. Hopefully, soon the pieces will all be painted and reassembly will start. Someday, it will belong to one of my grandkids.
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Originally posted by Cernunnos Cernunnos wrote:

Ted,
So would the shoe be placed under the tire (like a friction ski) and prevent the rear wheels from turning?  (Would the wagon then skid rather than roll down the hill)?  I think I saw something similar on old horse drawn wagons.
Yep Bob, you got it right!  You put it under the rear wheels and tie it off short, so it can't go past the tire.  Then the wheel can't 'free-wheel' and it acts similar to a brake.

I guess that is where the name shoe came from...it isn't a 'brake shoe', only a shoe...??

Oh yes!!!   It WILL NOT work on wet 'dew' grass.....don't ask me how I know.....
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My memory of an allis chalmers tractor is when I was 4 years old back in 2006 and we were discing potatoe ground with an 8070 PD and a Case IH disc with a brillion roller. My uncle let me drive a little on his lap and thats when I was over John Deere and love allis'. I always remeber grinding feed with the 190XT it was always my favorite sound and still is today that turbo-charged motor grinding couple tons of corn sweet sounds! Now me and my brother have a 7060 maroon PS and I love the death out of it. Will make it a beautiful tractor... someday.
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we gots some of them goat mountains too....and we either chose a bigger tractor, or a smaller wagon! me thinks you nor-easters are just silly! lol
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We gots a hill, on the farm, that is one of those hills.  It was all you could do to get a 125 bale wagon (full) up it, with the D-19.  One winter, I had most of a log of green sycamore wood, about 30" Dia, at the base on the big wagon, D-19 pullin, and D-15(II) pushin, finally got it up that damn hill...Wink
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Not an Allis story but when I look back it still makes me smile.  I worked for a farmer who had land a long distance from home.  It was a big job to put everything on trailers and relocate when needed.  He had a 20' implement trailer and he had placed all the packers etc. on that trailer which he hooked to a 66 Oliver.  His son headed out with that combination.  As he crested a hill he thought he'd shave off a few minutes by shoving in the clutch.  It took off downhill like a ballistic missile.  As it reached mach 1 he got scared and let out on the clutch which jack knifed the whole set up and threw him into a tree stump breaking his right arm.  It was a busy time of year and a week later supporting his new cast he decided he'd do some tillage with the JD 4430.  He would cross shift using his left arm to the console.  A rain came up so he headed for the shed to park.  Stepping out of the cab he slipped on the wet platform and being unable to grab the hand hold with his broken arm he lost his balance, he fell and broke his leg.  Thus ended the spring planting season.  Sometimes its better to learn life's lessons through the misfortune of others.  Not biblical but far less painful.  
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    First time baling hay by myself I was learning how to drive by watching the windrow enter the pickup on the baler ( was told to keep the windrow in the center of the pickup) , man it was harder than you think . The tractor was going all over the place .Didn't have time to look at the bales coming out of the machine. oops, turning at the end of the field as I looked back and  both of the knotters had broke leaving hundreds of wafers.
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When dad started farming after returning from WWII he first had a Johnny popper but that didn't last long and soon it was sold and he bought the WD45 with a Freeman loader, plow, disc, four row cultivator and rear dirt scoop. For many years it was the sole tractor so it did everything including dig two ponds for the hog lots. Several larger tractors came and went but he kept the WD45 as it was so handy and later it was used to run the bin auger and pull the gravity wagons during harvest. It was also the first tractor I remember riding on the tool box with dad and then when I was older I rode on the rear platform holding onto the back of the metal seat as dad drove. It was also the first tractor I drove. Still got the tractor and maybe my grandson will get it when I'm gone.   
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My first time cutting hay was across the road from the farm house. I had been teasing to mow and Dad finally thought I was old enough. He sent me out with his 180 and Hesston PT-10.

Of course, being a teenager, I had to go fast. It wasn't long and the 8 acres was (partially) mowed. I had quite a few "manes" left where I got too close and the hay was still standing. Dad didn't say a word.

When the hay was dry, and all baled, Dad handed me the scythe and told me to go finish cutting the hay. His comment was something like "We aren't going to have a field looking like that, right beside the road."

The scythe work didn't go as fast as the initial cutting. The next field I mowed, I slowed down and there was no scythe work!!!
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