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    Posted: 14 Dec 2011 at 8:30pm
Presently, this is just a 'paper' exercise, but........I have remains of one -45 and two WD's, and was considering putting something together as a puller for next summer. Economy (as in cheap) is the rule. I DO realize cheap and motor sports is an oxymoron, but, the cheaper the better.....rusty parts, no paint, mismatched tires, mangled sheet metal, etc. 
So, how would you proceed and where would you spend the available funds?
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I would put it in the engine.    You're gonna need good power to play with all the other "stock" tractors.   You should be able to do something relatively cheap by going with a 45 crank, and some WD/WC pistons shaved down or some other pistons to give you some better compression.    Get the motor running hot and you'll do fine in the antique classes.   The only other thing would be to make a good adjustable rigid drawbar setup as high and as close to centerline as your local rules will allow.   Then go out and get addicted. 
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sounds like quite a few of the old tractors one finds out there now.....should work!  engine and clutch need to be decent.
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You might just have enough there to have some fun. 45 crank, WD pistons, WD tranny and differential. :)
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My uncle once built a WD puller out of mostly "junk" parts. I bet he had less than $1,000 in the whole tractor and was very competitive. This was several years ago though when people weren't building very high hp tractors and fence row WDs could be had for less than $100. 
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Originally posted by ChuckLuedtkeSEWI ChuckLuedtkeSEWI wrote:

  The only other thing would be to make a good adjustable rigid drawbar setup as high and as close to centerline as your local rules will allow.  


Chuck, I've heard this from a lot of pullers but it isn't always the case. 99% of the time higher is better but more often than not you don't want the drawbar as close to the axle as rules allow. Ideally, you want any added weight as far out in front of the tractor as the rules allow and the drawbar long enough to make the front end light. You don't want the front end off the ground but you want it light enough that it could run over your toe without crushing it. With this setup you have the most leverage applied to the rear tires that you can achieve with any given weight. You of course still need enough engine to turn the wheels so you can still get in trouble by hooking your tractor up too much though.


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another cheap thing to do is remove handclutch housing and bolt in a wc trans where it was. bolts right up. u have to cut half inch off input shaft on back trans. this will slow it down so u can run 38 in tires. done this to 2 tractors and a stock motor is enough for 4500 class at 3mph.
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Which factors are most important in the class that you plan to pull in?  Does speed count?  If not, you'll spin out in first gear with any WC/WD/WD45 engine.  Power won't matter so much.  If speed counts, of course you want power and RPM so you can pull faster and in a higher gear.  Traction is a whole different breed of cat.  As stated above by others, getting the tractor balanced with as much weight on the rear tires and still keeping the front on the ground becomes more important.
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Theres little things that make differences in the engines power that really don't cost much just some time . then they are the things that take cubic dollars.   For instance trimming the guides so they dont stick into the port blending the seat and bowl area.
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Maybe you could find a Gleaner E motor to put in for some more power?

I would not think that mismatched tires would work out very well on a puller, try to find some older harder tires that are about half worn.

and yes rusty tractors pull just as well as painted ones.
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What a can of WORM's have you opened UP.
Pankey you have to stay out of this!!!!!!!!!!  LOu ,you like to start #%^&%$ .LMAO
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I would throw something together with the best parts available and see what it does. Then see where you need to make changes.
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Well, I sort of figured most money spent would go into the motor, I was just curious as to what everyone thought would give the best bang for the buck.  I don't know the local rules....yet. I sort of thought of "equalizing" mismatched tread by spending some time on rough finished concrete.
As Dennis says, in the end, I gotta' get my feet wet.

Fred, honest buddy, I don't do it on purpose, it just comes naturally! 
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I would suggest a 175 camshaft, and at least build engine to 175 specs,
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i never had a pulling tractor with paint she aint the whistle that pulls the train 
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Originally posted by Fred in Pa Fred in Pa wrote:

What a can of WORM's have you opened UP.
Pankey you have to stay out of this!!!!!!!!!!  LOu ,you like to start #%^&%$ .LMAO
Sorry Fred I didn't realize Lou was in the agitation cycle.  They are better cam grinds than 175 cams if you deal with a custom cam grinder . A custom grind cost the same as a shelf grind also just my two cent

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I would like to do the same thing you are talking about Lou.

I was thinking  I had heard something about using Farmall rods and Chevy pistons, is this true?
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if you offset grind the crank you can use the farmall rods . I think a chrysler piston would come more near working than a chevy unless you make some sleeves for the 427 truck piston.  I  use the 632 promod chevy piston but on 6 inches of stroke.  They are also a 8.5 inch non allis diesel rod out there that will fit in the place of a 262 buda rod if the 226 crank journal has been ground for the buda rod. this makes the rod 1 inch longer than the original so the cam will definately need a custom grind cause the piston will dwell considerably longer ps now the bottom end is where the cubic dollars flow from the wallet.


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well, I think getting involved with such things as non application rods, pistons, etc, and the machining required, as well as the necessary consequence of fortifying the bottom end, and it's associated costs, as Mitch points out just may be getting into extreme mission creep for me. However, a 175 spec engine, or a -45 crank w/WD pistons may be a good starting point. I was thinking something like a -45 crank w/WD flattop pistons, good valve job, simple port cleanup, 175/BT cam, big carb, 175 gov. spring, improved ignition
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Originally posted by LouSWPA LouSWPA wrote:

well, I think getting involved with such things as non application rods, pistons, etc, and the machining required, as well as the necessary consequence of fortifying the bottom end, and it's associated costs, as Mitch points out just may be getting into extreme mission creep for me. However, a 175 spec engine, or a -45 crank w/WD pistons may be a good starting point. I was thinking something like a -45 crank w/WD flattop pistons, good valve job, simple port cleanup, 175/BT cam, big carb, 175 gov. spring, improved ignition


I'm with you Lou, I was just thinking that you could get some HP cheap. I say cheap because I have access to some car parts that are just laying around.
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