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    Posted: 16 Feb 2023 at 10:39pm
Is there a good way to test a tachometer? I fixed some incorrect splicing in my wiring harness, and got the tachometer to work again on my 7080, it looks like it has the correct double pulley on the Delco alternator, and it was originally a Delco system from what I was told. Currently the tachometer reads my low idle rpm is 600, and high idle is 2,200. It is my understanding high idle should be more like 2,800. Is there a way to check and see if the fault is in the tachometer or if something is keeping the engine from reaching the proper high idle?
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You can get an optical tachometer and put white reflective tape on the dampner on the front of the crankshaft and check it. I cut a piece off the white part of DOT tape like is on trucks. Works great
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Never used it or have it, but i-phone's have an app to measure rpm's.
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get the optical tach.....they are cheap....ebay or amazon 2 yrs ago was $12...used it recently for first time on "new" tractor to check rpm
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That sounds like a good plan! I just checked them out, got one on the way.
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If the pulley is the wrong diameter it will read wrong
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all the grooves in the rest of the pulleys are all worn in after all these years belts all wore in a little  has to change the ratio a littlle bit
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Originally posted by HudCo HudCo wrote:

all the grooves in the rest of the pulleys are all worn in after all these years belts all wore in a little  has to change the ratio a littlle bit

You make a point. That’s one reason I don’t care for these kinds of tachometer drive systems.
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I wonder what kind of a nightmare it would be to try to drill,thread,mount an 8000 series pickup and wire an 8000 tach? I don't have the knowledge to do it.
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Originally posted by CrestonM CrestonM wrote:

Originally posted by HudCo HudCo wrote:

all the grooves in the rest of the pulleys are all worn in after all these years belts all wore in a little  has to change the ratio a littlle bit

You make a point. That’s one reason I don’t care for these kinds of tachometer drive systems.

Yup.
When you get your optical tach, just mark the gauge at a couple of the most important speeds. Re-check it every year or so.
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I dont see how you could drill the plate on the ttractor. I changed the piickup on my 8070 and it was plenty tight. Im guessing theb 7 and 8000 series plates are the same execpt for the pickup hole but im not sure If you could find an 8000 series plate and change it??????????
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I figured you could change location (lower?) so long as you "hit" the teeth. Yes it would be a trick to drill/tap same spot. Rt angle drill? I suppose there are some situations (pto) where you need a given rpm but most times you just gas and go!! Dad used to use the shaft tach on the WD to note position on throttle quadrant before using the all crop. Apparently wide open is more than 540? I was very young. Les has good advice.
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Creston I can understand why you want to be correct. If we run our 390 mower/conditioner at 540 it does a much better job cutting and conditioning. A 100 or 200 rpm off and it makes a big difference on that machine.
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My main concern is keeping loaded RPMs when plowing around 2,300. Being as it's a 7080 with a lot of hours, I don't want to let the RPMs climb up around their top rated RPM. That, and I just like everything to work the way it should or it bugs me. 
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Originally posted by CrestonM CrestonM wrote:

My main concern is keeping loaded RPMs when plowing around 2,300. Being as it's a 7080 with a lot of hours, I don't want to let the RPMs climb up around their top rated RPM. That, and I just like everything to work the way it should or it bugs me. 
Doesn't that have a Roosa? The one on my 220 has stop screws you can set low and high idle with. If so I'd turn it back to 2600 max.
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After thinking about it the pickup has extra threads. I dont see any reason not to drill a larger holo than the pickup. Tap a plate for the pickup and put oversized mounting holes in the plate. Drill snd tap the engine engine plate for the mounting holes. That way if the hole for the pickup isnt in the right place it could be moved until it worked
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To clarify thats to put a 8000 pickup on a 7000 series tractor
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Originally posted by SteveM C/IL SteveM C/IL wrote:

Originally posted by CrestonM CrestonM wrote:

My main concern is keeping loaded RPMs when plowing around 2,300. Being as it's a 7080 with a lot of hours, I don't want to let the RPMs climb up around their top rated RPM. That, and I just like everything to work the way it should or it bugs me. 

Doesn't that have a Roosa? The one on my 220 has stop screws you can set low and high idle with. If so I'd turn it back to 2600 max.

Yes it does, that’s something I’ll look into.
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Originally posted by 8070nc 8070nc wrote:

After thinking about it the pickup has extra threads. I dont see any reason not to drill a larger holo than the pickup. Tap a plate for the pickup and put oversized mounting holes in the plate. Drill snd tap the engine engine plate for the mounting holes. That way if the hole for the pickup isnt in the right place it could be moved until it worked

If this doesn’t work for me, I’ll look into this.
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You say it's high hours. I don't know what that means but if over 5000 and you don't have a history,I'd be putting brgs in the bottom end. You are capable. Just follow directions on the rod bolts. They ran at 2800 and they didn't stay together. The 8070 was turned down to 2600. I set mine to 2500.
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I'm not so sure that the 8000 series flywheel sensor will work in a 7000 series. I was thinking that the flywheels were different. I don't think that it reads off of the teeth of the ring gear. Doesn't the 8000 series flywheel have a series of bumps or slots on the front face to give the sensor a reading?? The parts book shows the flywheels to be a common number now, but that maybe just a parts supersession .
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I put an 8000 series tach in my 7050, the pickup reads off the ring gear, I had mine split for PD work so it was easy to drill with the adapter plate off the machine. I located the pickup on the RH side where there is more room, no fuel filter there like on the 8000s.
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Dakota Digital make a tach and speedometer interface that you can scale the input so the tach reads what its supposed to. Might be the simplest solution.for you Creston
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Kevin, good information. Did the rpm read correctly with the original 7050 tach or did you need to get an 8000 series tachometer head?
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Originally posted by SteveM C/IL SteveM C/IL wrote:

You say it's high hours. I don't know what that means but if over 5000 and you don't have a history,I'd be putting brgs in the bottom end. You are capable. Just follow directions on the rod bolts. They ran at 2800 and they didn't stay together. The 8070 was turned down to 2600. I set mine to 2500.

Hour meter stopped at just over 8,900. Previous owner said it was that way when he bought it from the original owner, so I’m not sure how many hours are on it. The PO said he only put maybe 100 hrs on it the several years he had it. Someone wrote on the valve cover the valves were set at 9,800 hrs, but I don’t know how they would’ve known that without a working hour meter.

This will be a topic for another thread, but is rolling in bearings really that simple? Will the crank journals being worn out of round not effect that? I just worry a little more on a high horsepower, fast turning engine like this. I do plan to replace the fluid dampener.

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Finally got a hand held laser tach and tried it tonight. At low idle the dash tachometer reads 600. Hand held laser tachometer read about 740. Book says spec is 750. When the dash tach read 1,800 the hand held was reading 2,300. So since it’s not a linear correlation, I’m not sure what the issue would be. Alternator belts are good and tight.
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Creston, see if you can find a smaller diameter pulley.
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If it was a linear correlation that might work, but since the difference starts with 150 RPM at idle and increases to a difference of 500 RPM between the dash tachometer and handheld tachometer at 2,300 engine RPM, I’m not sure a pulley would solve it.
This is assuming the hand held tachometer is reading correctly, but based on throttle positions, I believe it is correct.
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It is linear: 740/600: 23% off, 2300/1800: 28% off. Close enough to say a pulley that increases the ratio by about 25% would correct the problem, if you opt to go that way.
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I'm with Stan, it's pretty close to linear (probably is linear within reason)  I did 740/600 = 1.233.  1.233 x 1800 = 2220.  Give or take the width of the needle on the dial on the dash, and the math would probably work out perfectly.  
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