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    Posted: 20 Apr 2021 at 10:08pm
Nephew was changing his oil in his newer pickup the other day and asked if I wanted the drain oil, I said no as I have enough. Then I thought about it,He is changing full synthetic oil before 5,000 miles so I'm thinking that oil is only 1/2 used up so I told him I would take it. Thinking I can use it for oiling chains and other stuff, it should be good for that. Also was wondering how does synthetic burn in a waste oil heater or for burning brush and tree stumps?Wink
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For years I reused friends 'oil change oil of <5000KM'. Dang it was clean and 'tan' coloured. All I did was let it sit a month or so, siphon off the top, add to my truck, it ran fine..for years...
I think 'need oil changed every 5K' is more a SCAM to constantly get money out of your pocket,especially after reading the Tom McCahill tests he did in the late 60s. Pretty sure oils are better now than then...
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I give all my used oil, good and bad, to my Amish neighbors. They use it for oiling chains on their equipment, oiling wood things that set outside (like wagons), starting fires, and who knows what else. I have trouble keeping ahead of them.
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My cousin owns a truck fleet. Has oil samples taken and tested to determine change interval. Goes a lot further than they used to. SIL works at Altorfer and can get oil samples tested for me but have not gone that route yet. We have a Trailblazer inline six with VVT. It is sensitive to dirty oil so we use synthetic and change every 4000. Cousin's waste oil furnace burns it just fine
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A scam?  I change my oil every 3000-3500 miles along with a filter in all my vehicles except Jo Jo's Caddy. Being that takes Synthetic, I go 5000 with that. Doing 10K on an oil change is ridiculous in my opinion. My opinion of coarse. I don't care if its Synthetic or not. Keeping the oil clean in the crankcase keeps the engine clean inside, keeps emissions down, parts wear less, eliminates PCV issues, and also helps with mileage, not to mention the longevity you would get from that engine.  Never had any of my engines apart for a camshaft or somethin'. I do the same thing with my Auto Trans'. and the rear end. 50K on a complete oil change in both the trans and rear.  The newest car in my fleet is Jo Jo's CTS which is an 07'. The rest are all older. 

My nephew has a Chevy Sierra with 390K on the original drivetrain. Does the same thing I do. He just repaired the rusty pickup bed, and put a rocker and a pair of cab corners on it. After he saw what they want for a new pickup, he said "fat chance" of him spending that kinda money on a new pickup! He repaired the rust, had his buddy blend in where he did the  repairs., and he's good ta' go....  Thumbs Up
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Originally posted by Steve in NJ Steve in NJ wrote:

A scam?  I change my oil every 3000-3500 miles along with a filter in all my vehicles except Jo Jo's Caddy. Being that takes Synthetic, I go 5000 with that. Doing 10K on an oil change is ridiculous in my opinion. My opinion of coarse. I don't care if its Synthetic or not. Keeping the oil clean in the crankcase keeps the engine clean inside, keeps emissions down, parts wear less, eliminates PCV issues, and also helps with mileage, not to mention the longevity you would get from that engine.  Never had any of my engines apart for a camshaft or somethin'. I do the same thing with my Auto Trans'. and the rear end. 50K on a complete oil change in both the trans and rear.  The newest car in my fleet is Jo Jo's CTS which is an 07'. The rest are all older. 

My nephew has a Chevy Sierra with 390K on the original drivetrain. Does the same thing I do. He just repaired the rusty pickup bed, and put a rocker and a pair of cab corners on it. After he saw what they want for a new pickup, he said "fat chance" of him spending that kinda money on a new pickup! He repaired the rust, had his buddy blend in where he did the  repairs., and he's good ta' go....  Thumbs Up
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Guys.. please find and READ Tom McCahills story/report/adventures on doing  oil tests in car in mechanix illustrated. From what I recall he and crew drove several cars ,1000s of miles. no oil change(top up)/filter, filter change only, oil and filter change. What mattered at the end of the test was to change the filters.
Now since engines and oils and filters 'should' have improved in the past 6 decades, you should be able to go FURTHER between oil changes NOT less. My '67 stang was done every 5000 MILES....now 'they' say every 5000 KILOMETERS.... hmmm, that's about 3,000 miles.
That's why I say 'scam' as it's NOT necessary
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The problem is not the oil WEARING OUT... The problem is the oil GETTING DIRTY.. If you drive on the highway, live where their is no dust or dirt, dont park in the rain, always use CLEAN funnels and never have dirt around the fill neck............ that all helps... 
That being said, i do 5000 miles on everything.. Have for 50 years.
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Dealer gave us free oil changes for 25000 miles.  Only changed the oil every 10,000 on it.  So that's what I do, full synthetic, high mileage.  Everything else gets changes at 5000 miles with regular oil.

A friend loves the full synthetic for his oil burner.  Says it's a lot cleaner so he doesn't have to clean it as often.
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Read up on "Synthetic Oil", the Base Stock is STILL Petroleum.  It is really No different.

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Originally posted by jaybmiller jaybmiller wrote:

Guys.. please find and READ Tom McCahills story/report/adventures on doing  oil tests in car in mechanix illustrated. From what I recall he and crew drove several cars ,1000s of miles. no oil change(top up)/filter, filter change only, oil and filter change. What mattered at the end of the test was to change the filters.
Now since engines and oils and filters 'should' have improved in the past 6 decades, you should be able to go FURTHER between oil changes NOT less. My '67 stang was done every 5000 MILES....now 'they' say every 5000 KILOMETERS.... hmmm, that's about 3,000 miles.
That's why I say 'scam' as it's NOT necessary
So how far do you go then?  In your F150?  In the wife's Nissan whateverthehellitwas?
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I put less than 3000 miles on my F150, lot less due to the Chinese..
Wife's had 2 'free' oil change in 7,000KM...
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WooooWeee there are some "old school" thoughts here.  Our Toyota goes 10K or one year on an oil change.  Has a lifetime power train warranty also.

Sure i used to change oil at 3K in my 57 chev.

Times, lubes and internal combustion engines have changed.

I am pushing 78 so it is never too late to change.  Man if I lived close to some of you oil wasters :), I could run forever on the good stuff you dump.
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Originally posted by jaybmiller jaybmiller wrote:

I put less than 3000 miles on my F150, lot less due to the Chinese..
Wife's had 2 'free' oil change in 7,000KM...
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Um....Maybe I'm slow....How does that answer my question, which I thought was, how long BETWEEN OIL CHANGES for you.

I mean, I know I didn't say that, but oil change intervals was the topic at hand.


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F150, 6000 miles,16 months ago was last one, not even close yet
Car ,3000 miles(they're free...)

BTW gas jumped up 20c a liter ,or 80 cents overnight....hmm it snowed, C was found guilty
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Originally posted by jaybmiller jaybmiller wrote:

F150, 6000 miles,16 months ago was last one, not even close yet
Car ,3000 miles(they're free...)

BTW gas jumped up 20c a liter ,or 80 cents overnight....hmm it snowed, C was found guilty
Wow.......sigh.....so, How many miles do you PLAN to go between changes on the Ford F150????


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Since I change the oil in four engines I do it twice a year and ignore the mileage. That means my truck might have 2000 and the wife might might have 10000 between changes. Full synthetic in all of them.
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we don't have miles up here anymore...silly kilo-meters...it's a Liberal thing...
I only have 143,000 km(86,000 miles +-) on the truck...I was thinking 150,000, nice round,easy number, tough with the 'stay-at-home' lockdown(cops can arrest you !) until June, I can't even get to wallyWorld to buy oil ! Can't order online and have it shipped ( 'harardous goods' ) same BS for tubes of gasket making goop......It might actually be 2 years from now before I get even close to 150.
Last gas I bought was 1.13 per litre, it's now 1.21 at 10PM, 5 hrs ago 1.33....
Man the Chinese have really 'done a number' on us....


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I retired, after 31 years, from NYS DOT as a general foreman. For many years before I retired, they used recycled oil. New trucks, that were still under warranty, got new oil until the warranty was up and then they were switched to the recycled oil. 

In all the years that I worked there, I never saw an engine that had an oil related failure, other than we had problems with plows (large dumps) a few years that the oil pans rusted through due to their high salt and calcium chloride exposure. 

Many of these trucks were kept until they had 300,000 miles, which I know isn't a lot for a large dump, but most of those miles were put on at 30 mph plowing snow or idling for hours on job sites.

DOT had a very good preventative maintenance program. Engine oil and filters were changed regularly.

I conclude, from that, that regular oil and filter changes are probably more important than using synthetic oil.


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I conclude, from that, that regular oil and filter changes are probably more important than using synthetic oil.   Thumbs Up

again, the oil does not WEAR OUT... It gets DIRTY. Regular oil changes are much better than "special oil" for 10- 15,000 miles.
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a truck mechanic that works for a local company says all their new trucks run 100,000. miles before they take a sample or change it. think they are freighliners. 
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My 2019 Chevy gets changed at 5000 miles at the dealership. Full synthetic oil.
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Originally posted by jaybmiller jaybmiller wrote:

we don't have miles up here anymore...silly kilo-meters...it's a Liberal thing...
I only have 143,000 km(86,000 miles +-) on the truck...I was thinking 150,000, nice round,easy number, tough with the 'stay-at-home' lockdown(cops can arrest you !) until June, I can't even get to wallyWorld to buy oil ! Can't order online and have it shipped ( 'harardous goods' ) same BS for tubes of gasket making goop......It might actually be 2 years from now before I get even close to 150.
Last gas I bought was 1.13 per litre, it's now 1.21 at 10PM, 5 hrs ago 1.33....
Man the Chinese have really 'done a number' on us....


Ya ask some people a simple question......
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Originally posted by Tbone95 Tbone95 wrote:

Originally posted by jaybmiller jaybmiller wrote:

we don't have miles up here anymore...silly kilo-meters...it's a Liberal thing...
I only have 143,000 km(86,000 miles +-) on the truck...I was thinking 150,000, nice round,easy number, tough with the 'stay-at-home' lockdown(cops can arrest you !) until June, I can't even get to wallyWorld to buy oil ! Can't order online and have it shipped ( 'harardous goods' ) same BS for tubes of gasket making goop......It might actually be 2 years from now before I get even close to 150.
Last gas I bought was 1.13 per litre, it's now 1.21 at 10PM, 5 hrs ago 1.33....
Man the Chinese have really 'done a number' on us....


Ya ask some people a simple question......


OK, let's see, translating Canadian to American, um, if I follow you correctly, let's see here, you have 143,000 km ( we have those here too, but, like furlongs, not used very often) and ya' plan (well, plan, yeah, strong word) to go to 150,000 because it's a nice round number......so....7000km which is.......wait for it......4349.597 miles!  Phhhhewwwww boy, yessir, you really are pushing the envelope!!!LOLLOLLOL
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Jay :
  Them Chinese have done a number on everyone but you can also look a little farther east to see who had done a complete snow job on things above the 49th . 
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well, I'm not an engineer, or a chemist, but I do read. Supposedly, from what I have read, oil does wear out, in a engine. the forces of two surfaces moving in different directions, under pressure will shear the molecular strings of the oil. in doing so it changes the characteristics of the oil, including creating acids etc in the oil. This, added to the metal from wear of engine parts. Some of this can be filtered out, but eventually, the oil broken down into something else. That is according to what I have read. 
In addition, the synthetics are formulated so as to not shear as easily, so they last longer.
FWIW. don't beat me up, I am just passing along what I have read  
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yeah Coke the idiot is in bed with the Chineses...don't get me goin, but I've got 5 deer slugs ready just in case he walks down my road......
saw that google has over 10 million hits of how to reuse old engine oil,one that I read, the guy adds 3 recycled quarts to every new quart. some have fancy filter systems, some 'burn off' the 'junk'... common theme is that they are all time consuming and messy compared to having someone toss new filter and oil into your ride....

kinda wondering how  many guy actually replace the final drive oil in there tractors every year. D-14s only have a fill plug, no drain plug...hmm 2nd Q, why ????
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This oil change discussion has been going off and on for some time now.
The question I have especially for the 10k interval guys.
Do you check it periodically to see if it is staying in there to monitor if you might have a problem brewing.
I've seen it happen and I'm just asking.


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fixer, I gotta yarn for you.

I am one of the old pfarts that used to wear out the drain plug.  But now at 77 plus and counting, I think I try to not get "set in my ways".  I change the Toyo at 10K.

Yeah and I do not check the oil every day cus times have changed and I do not hear the Pistons swapping cylinders" LOL

I was once visiting my daughter on the east coast.  She had relegated the driving and upkeep of the old Rav 4 to the oldest grandson.

 I yanked the dipstick and low and behold there was no oil showing at 14 K since the last change and the grandy "said" he did not notice the service light was on.  However that noble beast was stilt getting him down the rod and everything was great.

So can these modern motors run with or without oil?
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At a County Fair kinda activity about 13 years ago they were taking bets on how long a car, I think it was a rice grinder, would run with NO OIL... I can not remember how long it was but supprized the heck out of me.  Not that I recommend the longer change intervals but at least this shows that engines can suffer a lot before they seize up.
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