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    Posted: 17 Apr 2012 at 9:39pm
yep, a real newbie question... thought i would eventually figure it out:
what's the diff between styled & unstyled?
52 CA, 41 B and a little B1    oh, yeah... and an 8N ford snuck in there, too.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote CAdon Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Apr 2012 at 9:51pm
so "styling" is similar to "streamlining" - rounded edges?  no mechanical changes?
does that difference show up in other than wd, wd45 models?
52 CA, 41 B and a little B1    oh, yeah... and an 8N ford snuck in there, too.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Rfdeere Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Apr 2012 at 9:56pm
   The WD and WD45 would both be a styled tractor. The WC and WF both had a unstyled and styled version.
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Kinda like some of us, some are stylin, some are not, and some are both!!!  Tongue
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HD7 WC C CA WD 2-WD45 WD45LP WD45D D14 3-D17 D17LP 2-D19D D19LP 190XTD 190XTLP 720 D21 220 7020 7030 7040 7045 3-7060
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John Deere and Farmall had uncovered steering boxes and steering shafts on their "unstyled" early tractors and on the later "styled" versions the steering was enclosed by streamlined sheetmetal (Well, I wouldn't call a styled A John Deere streamlined). AC was a little ahead of them with the steering enclosed on the earlier models but they streamlined the sheetmetal like everyone else. 
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The unstyled versions of the WC - flat tops - came out from 1933 - 1938.  In 1938 there were two versions of the WC one unstyled and one styled.  Interesting, Fred Wilke has one of each in his collection.
The flat top WC has a special place in my heart since it is the first AC tractor my father sold.  Would love to find it.  Saw it once and it was painted blue.  Really upset me.
This post reminds me of the first carload of styled WC's with electric equipment - starter and lights - was unloaded Thanksgiving day 1938.  Pop and Uncle George left the dinner early to unload.  Did not want to pay rail road day charge.
Electric Starter!  Even though it did not have the starter rod - they came later for some reason - we thought we were in heaven.
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Here is a picture of Fred Wilke's line up of WC's,
 
one for each year of manufacture.
 
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Just for clarification. The terms "styled" & "unstyled" were never official A-C terminology but have been almost universally adopted by old tractor hobbyists of all makes to differentiate between the older styling versus the more modern "streamlined" versions. In the A-C line the only models that this applies to are the WC & WF, as they are the only post 1937-38 models that recieved this stylizing/streamlining treatment of an existing model with very few other changes.. For example the U and UC just soldiered on with the same old look and when the B was launced in 1938 they set the pattern for A-C styling for the next 20 years. Also unlike John Deere & possibly some other makes who continued to offer the option of either styled or unstyled versions of the same model during this period of time, once Allis-Chalmers updated these models in late 1938 they never looked back.
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thanks kip (& others).  ends my wondering "what the heck are they talking about?".
but following gary's link now i'm fantasizing about taking a year off and visiting tractor & farm museums across the country.  (with a trailer in tow!) but then who'd take care of business at home... hmmm... maybe a low budget travel show in the making here?
i like the possibilities. a lot.


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52 CA, 41 B and a little B1    oh, yeah... and an 8N ford snuck in there, too.

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One could say that the 'era' of industrial designing came about as a result of the appearance of industrial designers like Raymond Loewy, Harley Earl, Virgil Exner, and a bunch of others, but my opinion is that it wasn't so much the appearance of visual designers that made 'styling' appear in any product of industry, as it was the ECONOMIC ABILITY of manufacturers to employ processes that made the realization of stylistic lines possible for stylists to employ.

Prior to the advent of 'styling', a machine was functional, and any aesthetic attention had to do with fit, finish, polish, paint, and pinstripes.

But one thing is certain-  as soon as manufacturers felt that it had an effect on their ability to make sales, they adopted anything they could to be 'on top'.

I have a particular liking for 'unstyled', as the machine's heart and soul is right there for the world to see... not hidden under cosmetic work... but one of the very important parts of industrial styling was the involvement in ERGONOMICS.  Industrial designers would have a vision for the lines and look, but also would imagine the layout of controls, and illustrate such things oriented so that an operator would have convenient access and ability with everything.  Some of these concepts didn't come to immediate fruition, but it was, nonetheless, an advancement of the product... to make it such that the finish and form from the observer's point-of-view, was matched by an equally important look and feel from the operator's perspective.

Unfortunately, some industrial design concepts go too far, and we wind up with cars that look like tennis shoes, and tennis shoes that look like cars....  (sigh)

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