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Sugarmaker 
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 Posted: 25 Oct 2019 at 7:40pm |
MD, Thanks! I need to work on my fake patina match a little more better!:) Regards, Chris
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MDWilliams338
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Posted: 25 Oct 2019 at 7:36pm |
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Oh yeah that looks good Mr Chris ...nicely supported 👍
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Posted: 25 Oct 2019 at 7:13pm |
Strokendiesel002, Thanks! One of the things that I did not look at was the addition of "sand pads" or wheelie bars. I do have a rough design but I forgot to make room for them so that will be another project. I would like to have that insurance available at some point. My new rear weight brackets are in the wrong place for the frame for the sand pads to be mounted to the tractor.:( I ordered 4 more 16 lb weights (burn outs) to make 16 total. That will give me lots of flexibility moving weights around next year. No action on rims today have to think about those for a while.
Today added a vertical up restraint on the front weight bar, Used the hand crank as the attachment with spring hitch pin. This was a possiblie issue if the tractor came done hard and bounced the weights.
Neighbors have started harvesting corn, Tractor photo op:
New used muffler comming from Grandson Nic. He took it off his puller and added one of those 50 HP straight pipes. I am going to black it out for this old tractor. Should fit in just right with the look too! Regards, Chris Regards, Chris
Edited by Sugarmaker - 25 Oct 2019 at 7:37pm
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Posted: 25 Oct 2019 at 7:41am |
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Awesome work as always Chris!
You've got some pretty nice looking "scraps" laying around to tinker with :)
I really like the front weight quick release with the pins that you made. Pull em off and no one in the stands would ever know the difference!
The rear step to tie the weight brackets together, "factory custom" coupler bracket on the bottom... All looking great good sir!
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Posted: 25 Oct 2019 at 7:35am |
Folks, Thought about these rims and my guess is they may be 8 inch wide rims. Here is a picture:
Not sure what they are off off? pattern and center look right without putting a tape on them. They have the right look to them!
Regards, Chris
Edited by Sugarmaker - 22 Nov 2019 at 6:25pm
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Posted: 24 Oct 2019 at 8:57pm |
Folks, I found (online) a set of 10-28 stamped 8 bolt rims, with some very old Firestone tires on them. Not right around the corner but within a reasonable 200 mile round trip distance. Seller wants $150 apiece for the rims and tires. Not interested in the tires, they may have a little value to someone? Was thinking these might make some lighter weight rims than the current spin out Allis rims? Would eliminate the eccentrics, bolts, deep dished center, and the rails. Possibly widen to 14 inch for adding some new tires next year? Any thoughts on weight savings? Maybe 20 lb less per side?? Would be another project and additional expense. The current 13.6-28 Firestone Field and Road on the WD-Z are in great shape and the current rims are not rusted out. So they have some value too! Just feel I will need to get to the 14.9-28's at some point. (I have not tried the 13.6-28 pulling) The Crop Max tires would be the tire of choice. Unless I could find good used unobtainable older Firestone Field and Roads in 14.9-28!
Maybe I should just go on a diet along with the tractor!  Regards, Chris
Edited by Sugarmaker - 22 Nov 2019 at 6:25pm
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Posted: 24 Oct 2019 at 6:32pm |
MD, Thanks! Since I got my welding hood refurbished I can actually see to weld again! Thought I was going blind! I do enjoy making something out of nothing! Marketing these, Probably not!:) I also modified and attached a cross bar (tube) for my small 15 lb weights to slip on. I can put 14 on the back in line with the bottom of the guide. So thats 210 lbs and very easy to add or remove. Those would be about all I need to get in the 3750 lb class. Just not too many of those around. Most competitions jump in 500 or 1000 lb classes. They dont want to pull all day!
The patina was applied by moon light, and looked great the darker it got this evening!
Regards, Chris
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Posted: 24 Oct 2019 at 6:02pm |
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Nice work!!! Those pieces look good enough to market and sell👍
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Posted: 24 Oct 2019 at 3:27pm |
Folks, Rear weight brackets are roughed out and step is in place.
Strengthening gusset top view:
Extension on step weldment also allows a bolt to go through these green weights to secure them.
A good half a foot step, this is bolted to the weight brackets:
Think I may have got this pretty well under control for weight behind the rear axle. I have 6 of the 100 lb weights and 165 lbs of the small weights. Will keep my eyes open for some additional weights to have approx 1000 lbs available to add. Or since the WD45 is at 4000 lb I can put the mid brackets on that tractor plus 500 lbs and go in the 4500 class. The WD-Z could go in the 3500, 3750 and 4000 lb? That's probably enough to play with for a while. We also have some pulls that are stock weights and no weight brackets, so the WD45 is set for that and the WD-Z could be in a 3500 class, if I take the weight brackets/step off the rear.
Thanks for checking on me! Regards, Chris
Edited by Sugarmaker - 24 Oct 2019 at 3:36pm
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Posted: 23 Oct 2019 at 8:59pm |
Folks, Working on the Maple evaporator rebuild I ran out of stainless welding wire.
So moved back to the WD-Z to noodle out some rear weight brackets. I am working from steel scraps that I should, but dont throw away, so i have only my time in it so far.
With a clean slate on the back of the tractor I can design and build as I want. Trying to keep the brackets light, so maybe they dont have to be removed for the 3500 lb class? Decided to make new brackets vs using the set I had made for in front of the rear wheels. That way if I felt real foxy and had more weights, I could hang some in front of the rear tires too (mid tractor)!
So the design follows the same theme as the mid tractor brackets. Square 1 inch tubing. Now this may not work well if I ever get some weights with a vertical slot! Here I have the 100 lb weight in position on the right rear bracket: The angle that is held with the clamp will get welded or bolted to the brackets, and will have the feature to bolt the weights together. Three weights can go on each side. 600 lbs total on the back of the tractor is possible. No clue as to what that will do when pulling?
Couple things I did different than my neighbors WD puller: I made these brackets lower to the ground, and left room for the step in between with no obstructions. Should be safer getting on and off. The narrower than standard step design is done just need to do the build. Step will be at almost the same height as the factory one, so should feel comfortable. Here is the left side bracket, yes a little thin but has gussets to improve the strength.
To get a little more stiffness I am going to build the step to span from bracket to bracket and provide more rigidity in the brackets.
Here is my neighbors weight bar on the back of his WD puller. Pretty simple angle iron supporting 75 lb weights with slots, works good for him. Also his shortened step with non slip:
Trying to get some of this stuff done so that maybe next spring I will be more ready to go.
Regards, Chris
Edited by Sugarmaker - 23 Oct 2019 at 9:15pm
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Posted: 22 Oct 2019 at 9:28pm |
MD, No your right, if the tractor slams down hard it might break or bend something too. Its the second bounce in there that might do this design in?? Reinforcement is a good idea. Will think about that a little. Regards, Chris
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Posted: 22 Oct 2019 at 9:05pm |
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Ok,I gotcha....I was just wondering how much weight because I was thinking just at glance that the 2” square tubing ((if I’m seeing that right)) you have welded to the angle iron might benefit from a triangle gusset welded on both sides as well just to add a little extra strength but if 150lbs is all your going to hang on the front then it looks golden.Was just thinking if your hooked and digging in with wheels catching air and front hit hard coming down on the red flag the chance of it snapping the square tubing off on the track.Sorry...I’m like my dad sometimes and can over engineer everything 😁
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Posted: 22 Oct 2019 at 8:28pm |
MD, Thanks! I can put 150 lbs on the front. I dont have a clue what I really need. I know on a sticky power track the front end may get a little light, might try 4 weights or 60 lbs? out front. I made it to add the extras. I want to redesign my rear weight brackets to get the weight just in back of the axle. At least that's the plan. Also will start looking for suitcase weights lighter than these 100 lb green ones! I'm getting to old for that much lifting! The old back starts to groan.
Worked on my maple syrup evaporator refurbishment this afternoon. More design and fab work, using steel and stainless steel. cutting, grinding, fitting, and welding.
Regards, Chris
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Posted: 22 Oct 2019 at 7:25pm |
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That looks good and I like the step for sure. How much weight are you hanging on the front?
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Posted: 22 Oct 2019 at 5:03pm |
Yea I need a nudge once in a while!
MD that D17 looks fantastic! I get the hint loud and clear. My 17 would be a good candidate for a refurb clean and paint too. That would allow it to look good for many years!
I need to start to seriously work on a shop! I have the design. A "T" shaped shop and storage area. Just need to get he ambition and the funds!
I got the results from the last pull and found that my WD45 was the tractor that won first in the 4000 lb class not the WD-Z, it got 3rd.
Distance numbers show that the WD-Z is almost the same as my neighbors WD. I placed 6th in the 3500, 4th in the 3750, and 3rd in the 4000 lb classes with the WD-Z.
There is a Farmall M that is very strong and won first in 5000, 5500, 6,000 and 6500 classes by 10 plus feet each time. May be tuned up a little as it never even breaks a sweat!:)
Front weight set up for the WD-Z:
old man step:
Thanks for checking in on me! Regards, Chris
Edited by Sugarmaker - 22 Oct 2019 at 8:32pm
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Posted: 22 Oct 2019 at 12:09pm |
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Very nice , Michael . Thanks |
Thankya sir....it was job but maybe this will be enough to give him a little push.
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Posted: 22 Oct 2019 at 10:33am |
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Very nice , Michael . Thanks
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Posted: 22 Oct 2019 at 10:16am |
Me too......let me see can I help out with that too,a little nudge😉 
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Posted: 22 Oct 2019 at 9:40am |
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I'm still hoping you will re-do the D 17 . 🤔 Thanks
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Posted: 22 Oct 2019 at 8:20am |
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😂😂😂 Just trying to help the cause my friend.
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Posted: 22 Oct 2019 at 7:48am |
MD, AC, Folks, Your welcome on the pictures! Just my way of spreading the orange thing around too!
Yes not letting the smoke out of the wires is a good thing! I took my time for a change and did some research and with MD's help, I didnt burn anything up!
That CA "Willow" is still under the tree a couple miles from me! Poor old girl. Those are the ones that need attention. It has not had any love for years! If the owner gave it to me the cost would be to much! He should pay me to take it? My guess if he gave me $2500, I might just barely break even, bringing it back to working order! It could be a unit that got into the 2500 lb weight class (maybe)?? Havent done much research on that yet. Dang it MD! Why did you have to bring that old CA up! :) Now there is another project that will "loom up" in front of me, on a cold snowy day!
Regards, Chris
Edited by Sugarmaker - 22 Oct 2019 at 7:58am
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Posted: 22 Oct 2019 at 6:42am |
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Enjoyed the pictures ! Thanks
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Posted: 22 Oct 2019 at 5:04am |
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Well at least no smoke is always a good😬
Very nice pics also...now if we can just get a CA in these group shots.
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Posted: 21 Oct 2019 at 7:26pm |
Folks, Well I believe I put the diode in the right way and added the wire from the IG terminal to the ACC. When I fired the WD tractor up, it did not make a difference in the charge rate till I increased the rpm. So we will live with it. Also checked some of the other tractors and they are doing almost the same thing low charge rate at lower rpm too! Guess I thought they were charging more sooner??
Some photos from this nice fall day:
Cooper on the 45:
Cooper on the WD, we had to stop and pick up his hat that blew off during the tractor ride:
Off color tractor. This is Cheryl on her grandmothers Massey Hydro 8 hp, with our great grandson in the cart:
Line up of WD series tractors:
I am working on fabricating a front weight bracket for my small weights. They are 15 lbs each and slide on a square 1-1/2 inch tube. Thinking of hanging this off the front two bolts of the cover plate on the pedestal. Have to do some research on the rules as to how far out the weights can extend? I was only going out about a foot beyond the front end. Want it to be easy to remove also.
Regards, Chris
Edited by Sugarmaker - 21 Oct 2019 at 7:29pm
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Posted: 21 Oct 2019 at 10:10am |
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Update for sure.I’m thinking it will work but like I said I’m thinking it’ll drain the battery so keep an eye on it and you may need to add a batt shut off if you haven’t already.
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Posted: 21 Oct 2019 at 8:51am |
Folks, Info on here, the internet and talked to my local expert on the Denso alternators and he said the exciter wire going from the ignition switch to the IG terminal on the Alternator may or may not help to excite the alt at low RPM. I will try it. If it doesn't work I will just live with increasing rpm to get it to charge. The "L" terminal for a light doesn't not need to be used in this application. Regards, Chris |
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Posted: 20 Oct 2019 at 6:15pm |
MD, Yes the type of the terminals on the Denso is the one in the upper left. I found a plug on line that looks like the right one and it has a larger red and smaller yellow wire coming out of it. On a GM type alternator the yellow wire would be for the exciter wire and the red wire would go right on the Battery "B" post of the alternator. Regards, Chris
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Posted: 20 Oct 2019 at 3:50pm |
Yessir and light should work too.Switched live from the ignition which you’d probably need a batt shut off to keep from draining the battery...I’m thinking.Type 1 top left. 
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Posted: 20 Oct 2019 at 3:16pm |
MD, Thanks! That shows the "light" in the system, which I am not going to use, but I put a diode in the line. I will try to hook up to the terminal #1 post on the alternator. Whats the worst that could happen!:)
Not sure what the "Switched Live" means on the wire connected to #2 terminal??
I know on the GM type alternators the third wire would be a short one and go right on the same #3 terminal. Maybe that whats its trying to say??
Not sure whats happening inside that fusebox??:)
If you hear a big boom up north you will know what happened! Regards, Chris
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Posted: 20 Oct 2019 at 3:02pm |
 I don’t know how I missed this but this is good stuff. I could be way wrong but it looks like you need to go from IG to #2.... however it’s very possible this may drain the battery over a short time too....that said you may need a batt shut off if you haven’t already got one.
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