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Dan73
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Topic: Square bale hay questionPosted: 17 May 2016 at 10:14am |
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I have a NH 565 baler which has been completely rebuilt over the last two hay seasons. I am putting up about 7000 bales a year hoping to put up 10000 this summer. As I work my way through the hay pile I am finding about 1 in 50 bales has broken strings. Bales that where fine when I put then up last summer and bales that are perfectly dry good looking hay. The weird part is it looks like someone cut the strings at random spots on the bales. I am using thissel twine and the twin doesn't look like it us frayed or anything like that from the baler. The bales are sitting in a hay pile sometimes they break before you grab the string sometimes as soon as you start to pick up the bale. The bales are about 50 to 60 lbs no really heavy. Is this just poor quality twine? In order to load up my pickup today I had to fix 3 bales and I could not see a reason for any one of them to have broken. Some of the brakes are pretty clean and some span a short distance maybe half an inch. I am thinking maybe I need a different twine supplier this comming season and wanted to know if this is something other people have seen
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albatros_3
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Posted: 17 May 2016 at 10:30am |
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Most likely the twine, although the baler could be causing weak spots in the twine. What are you using for twine? I'm just about to go plastic because I'm running into more twine quality problems it seems. I keep hearing of droughts and factory problems in South America, which is supposedly the cause of the cost increases and lower quality. When I upgrade my baler, I'll probably go to plastic twine.
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Dan73
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Posted: 17 May 2016 at 10:36am |
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Good question about the brand I honestly don't know I bought it at the local store that has had good quality in the past but it has been a very long time since square bales where done here the farm closed down for about 20 years. I tried that plastic twine it goes through the baler ok as long as your knives are not loose with free play but it is he'll on your hands even with gloves just too thin to handle if you ask me. It would actually bale up better but I just hated working with it. And I really hated seeing the little plastic bits in the field.
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thendrix
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Posted: 17 May 2016 at 10:43am |
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Twine quality is a possibility but also look at the twine eyes, holes in the twine box, needles, and knotters and make sure there's not a burr somewhere. I know it seems a burr would cause this more frequently but it's still a possibility.
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albatros_3
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Posted: 17 May 2016 at 10:54am |
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If you're using 9000' twine, try switching to 7200' with a higher knot strength.
But like said above, check and make sure the baler isn't roughing up the twine. |
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Posted: 17 May 2016 at 10:59am |
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We've had problems with mice chewing through the twine. Especially if the hay is heavy in seed. Just a thought. Do you handle the hay in the field or to put in barn. If so seems the strings would break at that point as well if it where a twine or baler issue. Just my thoughts.
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Dan73
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Posted: 17 May 2016 at 11:04am |
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Well that is what had me stumped I hand loaded all the hay last summer. This year I should have my grapple loader running. I will double check the twine path and look into the other twine choice I used 9000 twine last summer it is what we always used in the past but I know those things are not what they where. I haven't seen many signs of mice nests there are chickmunks but when they eat the twine they make a real mess out of the hay you know it was them. There is alot of clover seed in the hay so it could be critters I guess just would think I would find nests like I did as a kid.
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Hurst
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Posted: 17 May 2016 at 11:14am |
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We put up doe stage straw last year, put about 2 loads on pallets in a bent in one barn that doesn't have any really bad rodent problems. In another barn, we put the remaining 900 bales or so in the loft, and I have had nothing but problems with strings breaking out of this barn, but all of the bales are holding just fine in the barn they are on pallets. The strings are just as you say, looks like someone took a pocket knife and just cut them. That barn has a problem with mice and rats, as well as raccoons nesting in the lofts, so I am thinking the strings are being cut by rodents. I'm with you on the plastic twine. And we use all of our bales on the farm for the most part, and every once in a while one gets in the manure spreader instead of the trash, and plastic makes a lot more of a mess than sisal twine does after a few months. I put out some poison bait traps for the rats, and it seems their numbers are going down, but the raccoons are another problem that is usually solved with a trap and a small gun... Keep an eye out for rodents around the barn. Just because they don't have a nest right there doesn't mean they aren't getting into the bales, or so it seems here.
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Posted: 17 May 2016 at 11:20am |
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I'd try switching to 7200 twine. And use lots of rat poison. I've had both issues. The 7200 plastic twine isn't any worse on your hands than the sisal.
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Posted: 17 May 2016 at 11:30am |
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We made the switch from sisal to plastic many years ago for the same reason. I hear you on the complaints about plastic, hard on your hands and the bits of plastic in the feed. But way less broken bales. It is tough to find a good consistent source of the sisal. When / if you do, it is good stuff.
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Posted: 17 May 2016 at 12:25pm |
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Posted: 17 May 2016 at 12:54pm |
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You guys are probably right I just realized that I lost my barn cat last fall I bet without him there are alot of mice out there... might have to get another barn cat. Actually figured one would have showed up by now...
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Posted: 17 May 2016 at 3:05pm |
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I too would say you have a mouse problem. For several years, we put up 75,000 bales of hay and 30,000 bales of straw. I learned really quick that I had to use plastic twine and stack the bales on their edge. We still put up about 15,000 bales of straw and some hay, and if I don't stack the bales on their edge, the mice will still get some of the strings on the straw. I also keep poison out in all the barns. If your bales didn't break going into the barn, I doubt you have a baler problem.
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Posted: 17 May 2016 at 3:21pm |
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We stack all of our bales on edge, and the things still get the strings, albeit not nearly as bad as they probably would if they were stacked on strings. I think you need to adopt a barn cat from the local shelter like I do! If you do switch to plastic twine, make sure your baler has the billhooks that work with plastic. I think the 500 series square balers all had them, but you might double check. Best of luck!
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Posted: 17 May 2016 at 7:50pm |
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I would also bet it is a rodent problem. But to be safe check to be sure the twine path is ok. Sometimes the slightest burr on the needles can cause a fray on the twine. Also, the porcelain insulators will have a groove wore into them from the twine.
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Posted: 17 May 2016 at 8:17pm |
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I had a problem when I used the corn elevator to put hay in the barn with. If I put them in with the strings on the paddles some of the strings got cut. This just what happened to me not sure how you handle yours.
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Posted: 17 May 2016 at 8:52pm |
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x2 on the mice problem. I had that problem before exactly as you describe. If it was a problem with the baler, you would be braking the twine before it is stacked in the barn.
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Posted: 17 May 2016 at 9:43pm |
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Yes the porcelain guides that look like fence wire insulators can wear a groove in them that frays the twine. When I was baling hay, my baler would mess up about every 99 bales and one twine would break. So I cut twine into lengths about a foot longer than it takes to go around the bale and tied one end into a loop with a bowline knot. Then when I needed a new twine I wrapped the bale with that and put the straight end through the loop and then pulled it like the loop was a pulley to get the twine tight and then tied it.
I didn't like plastic twine, I found it in the field for years after I had hired hay or straw baled with it. Gerald J. |
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Posted: 17 May 2016 at 9:50pm |
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Do you have any elephants hanging around the barn? Elephants are afraid of mice. If you don't see any elephants, you have mice.
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Posted: 18 May 2016 at 2:51am |
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I think those elephants will do a lot more damage to my hay pile then the mice do....
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