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    Posted: 01 Jan 2016 at 5:01pm
I need to split the track on my HD5G, and the master link is in the perfect position, but do I need some special tools like a track press to remove it? Heard once that you can just heat up around the pin, and it will knock out with a hammer and punch. Anything to that? Thanks, Darrel
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The master pin usually can be removed without a press. Position the link on the sprocket or idler. You need a BFH and a helper to hold the punch using something that keeps their hands out of the path of the hammer. Some people build a fixture to hold the punch on the link. If the link is not backed up by the sprocket or idler the chain will absorb the impact and the pin will not move.

Yesterday I resorected a portable track pin press that I started building 15 years ago. I need to split another track. It takes a lot of force to move track pins. Last time I used a press from Harbor Freight. I bent it. I had to rebuild the press to finish bushing the chain.
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A railroad spike hammer and a sledge works good
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Don't be in such a position while holding punch that when your brother bounces the sledge off the punch it hits you in the mouth and knocks out 2 front teeth! Just sayin...
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we have a piece of solid shaft  about 16 inches long or so welded to a 3 foot piece of pipe.  it keeps the holder well clear and the shaft is long enough to allow the pad to remain on the track or the rail sides can move or bounce independently.  also place a heavy piece of pipe so it fits snugly between the rail and the rear end that allows the master pin to go into.   this will buck the area immedietly around the pin so all your striking energy goes into moving the pin and not bouncing things around.  we do 15 and 16 master links this way so a 5 should be like punching rivits Big smile
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I position the pin on front idler lower side  then back side of track use a 2" pipe over section of track where pin is - then wedge this solid to track on other side .
 On the side I am going to drive out I use a fixture clamped to track pad (tack welded) and then have a 1" shaft as a punch - this has a rod welded to it to allow it to be held . 
 The 1" shaft slides through fixture to hold it in line with pin - the use of the large hammer on end of pin is next . 
  Remember there are spacers and shims inside track as the master bushing is shorter than the other bushings . 
 Heat sometimes helps as does some lubrication  
them strong words don't seem to help but you may be muttering them anyway  
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The ITM chains we put on our FA 10 came with a warning against driving the master pin by hammering.  Any clues as to why?

I made up a rig to use a 20 ton hydraulic jack to drive them.


Edited by Ian Beale - 02 Jan 2016 at 5:47pm
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Well, I am in the process of building a track pin press. I value my front teeth!!!!Lol. Darrel
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Darrel, Why are you needing to take that track off? Thought you just had a steering clutch problem? Just askin 
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Darrel...is yers a track loader?
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Well Mel, it's a long story. That left side wants to give me more trouble and fight me to the bitter end. I don't know if you were following along through this whole ordeal, but to make a long story short, the left side track won't do anything but slide when we try to move this miserable beast forward or back. It went into the shop under its own power. Moved forward and backward just fine when we were bringing the clutch and brake drum bolts around to the top to remove them. Now she's froze up. We first discovered it to be froze up after I took the torch to the brake drum when I couldn't get that side out. We thought we had it rolling over again after I made some more headways on getting that clutch completely out, but we hadn't done much more than rock it a little with a bar. When we tried to do some serious moving of it, it just went to sliding. Figure if I split the track, then I will know if something is lodged in the track that I am overlooking, or if it is something in the final drive. It's just plain odd. Darrel
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Darrel, don't make me call you! I thought I'd been following everything. It sure seems like you guys are making this harder than it should be.  You could drop that cover on the bottom of the final and look around up there (lights and mirrors) before you break that track. There's got be something simple you're missing.
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If and IF you must break track I used a 20# sledge with a 1.5" cold rolled drift around 16" long.  I found a piece of pipe in my crap box the drift would fit thru and finagled a mount to hang on the track shoe positioning the tube in-line to the master pin, then give it hell.  One rail eye required a little heat, not to red state just hot.
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Mel, "Don't make me call you. ....? "
I would welcome a call from you!!!!
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to move the track I used a come along and a pair of vice grips clamped to a pad - then come along onto loader bucket - with machine jacked up so track cleared the floor I could move track to work on clutch , work on brakes , and work on final drives - all without splitting the track . 
 It is advised if you remove the master pin to use a new one when going back together . 
I would advise doing any and all inspection without splitting track - in fact you can remove the track without splitting it - just a little more work 
 loosen adjuster enough to walk track off either idler or sprocket teeth - 
heck did it quite a few times until I put new tracks on - 
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When I was in my 20's and working construction was helping in the shop to remove tracks on a Euclid dozer about the size of a D7 Cat, I couldn't get the pin to move with a 20# hammer so forman called BIG john over to help me. Now John was about a foot taller than me (about 6'6") he went and got a 30# hammer and pin moved about the third time he hit it and he had it completely out in about 5 min. or so. Moral of the story get a really big hammer and a real big guy to operate it!!
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Be sure to wear your goggles. Friend lost an eye from driving out a pin.
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DIYDave

Re your post above

I'm getting a message that "A plugin is needed to view content"".

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Originally posted by Ian Beale Ian Beale wrote:

DIYDave

Re your post above

I'm getting a message that "A plugin is needed to view content"".

What gives?

I don't know, compuker's been acting weird, all night.  Youtube's working for me now, but the ability to post a hyperlink is now gone, for me.  I think it has something to do with this site...
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