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    Posted: 16 Oct 2017 at 8:40pm
Hi, everyone. I'm a new member not a farmer just appreciate old machinery. I just recently purchased some property. After purchasing located this old combine in a old shed. I had no idea what I was looking at first. I found this forum and have been able to determine I have acquired a model SP100 combine. The serial number is SP 5026. The generator date code is 5C14 - which I believe is March 14th 1955. The engine serial number is 45-59604. I'm looking for help to identify the year of manufacture of this combine. It seems to be pretty good shape - missing reel and carburetor. Hope the engine block is not freeze cracked - haven't had time to check. Engine has oil. Machine has sunk about six inches into dirt floor of shed - tires buried in dirt floor. Going to take some effort to move it. The property also has (2) 60 series pull type combines laying in the grass and bushes so high it is hard to see or access much of them. I'm sure they are missing more parts than the self propelled. I'm planning on saving what's there. Any information on the SP100 would be appreciated. Thanks
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oldstuff,
Welcome to the best forum on the web.  I can't answer much about your combine, but I am sure that others on here can.  Creston, you should chime in on this one. 

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Engine # 45-59604 Looks like a 1955 engine.
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First off, thank you for saving one of my favorites. I'm 19, and a combine guy. I have a pair of 1950 60A's and the 26th to last Super 100 built, and while I like all the All-Crops, the SP-100 and Super 100 combines are my favorite. My only request is that you post photos for us to see, as it would help me tell you more about the machine. I'm always on the hunt for accessories for a 100, and most of them are very rare, and I've never actually seen them except for in the parts books. 

March 1955 sounds about right. Norm Swinford's book is a little vague on 100 serial numbers, as several years are missing. However, the ending number for 1956 was 5600, so 1955 sounds right by me. 
As far as general info, I'll give you a little run down. They were produced from 1952 (officially 1953) until 1957, when they were replaced by the Super 100. The Super 100 was manufactured only for 1958, being phased out by the Gleaner line of combines. 
The first few 100's were powered by Allis WD tractor engines, however it was soon apparent those engine were too small, so a few months later the WD 45 engine found its way into the 100. There were relatively few produced with the WD engine. If you find one today, unless it was one of the first ones built, it is probably a transplant engine. 
The WD45 "Power Crater" engine was used until the end of '58, when the Super 100's were phased out. 
The story on these combines more or less goes as follows....the original pull type All-Crop was a huge success, and it seems I read once Allis averaged 2 out of every 3 pull type combine sales in the US. Either way, the 60 was a huge success, with over 150,000 60's produced. Towards the end of the 40s, Allis knew the pull type was soon going to be replaced by a self propelled unit. They knew they had the market cornered with their All-Crop 60, and (in my opinion) their ego got to them, and they thought whatever design they came up with was bound to be a winner. They even built a whole new manufacturing facility in LaPorte solely for the SP-100, because it was going to be such a huge success and they were going to be cranking them out by the thousands, just like the 60s and 66s. (Allis bought Gleaner in 1955, and Gleaner built the model T combine in 1954, which was roughly the same capacity as a 100. Allis was so sure of the 100's superiority that they dropped the T immediately) They thought with the success of the 60/66, any self propelled design they came up with was going to be a monstrous success, and Allis would control the self propelled market as well, as long as they kept the threshing and separating system the same as in the 60/66. There was no way they could fail. Or was there...? 
Prototypes were built, and as I'm sure you can tell, a 100's threshing system is quite similar to a 66. Step up straw rack, 3 level shoe, saw tooth wind control valves, quick adjust cylinder speed, rubber cylinder and concave bars, etc. 
But they made one huge fatal flaw: they narrowed the cylinder. On the 60, the header is as wide as the cylinder, and the crop enters in a thin stream, with no bunching or bottle-necking. That system works great. 
Rubber cylinder bars work best when the crop is delivered in a thin stream. Not when it's bunched together. 60" header and 60" cylinder works fabulous. 
Now on the 100...108" header and 48" cylinder (Wait....48 < 60 Pinch)....well....it must've been a Monday when they drew that up. If you take a 4' swath, you have pretty good capacity, but try to take the full 9' swath (or a 12' swath if you have the fairly rare 3' header extension on the left hand side) and you run into problems. The cylinder just doesn't have enough capacity to handle a heavy swath of 9 or 12 feet of material, unless you cut the straw pretty high. Wide row crops don't tend to give as much trouble, but cut something heavy like wheat, and you'll find yourself slipping the variable V-belt drive in an effort to go slower.
Couple the lack of cylinder capacity with the WD45 engine, and you have a combine that sorta lacks in capacity for its size. If they had a larger engine, the capacity problem could be remedied to a great extent, I'm sure. 
I think they should've made the Super 100 a truly "super" combine and put a D17 engine in it, since it had its debut in 1957, but I'm sure by the time the Super 100 came out, they were just trying to use up parts inventory by giving the 100 one last push before dropping it and only offering Gleaner self propelleds. Plus, another obvious reason the 100 wasn't a good long-term design, is the cross-mount separator. It's already over 10' wide as it is and any upscale in size to increase capacity would certainly make it very cumbersome to haul. Allis realized the future of combines was going to be a straight-through design, which is mainly why they acquired Gleaner in 1955. 

You're probably thinking how can I still like these machines after the explanation I've just given? I'm not really sure, either. I first heard about these machines when I was 8, and when I saw a photo of one for the first time (It was a Super 100). I was captivated by this "big foot" like machine, as I'd never seen or heard of one. It was so intriguing to me, and I was just amazed as to how different it was from any other combine built, plus how rare they seemed. I just think they look awesome, plus the story of their "guaranteed" success, followed by their disastrous crash from the "top". (Plus the crash of a ship load of Super 100's in the ocean on a voyage to Brazil)
Sure, I know there are similar sized combines with more capacity out there (Like the Gleaner T) but I love Allis, orange, and consequently, the 100. I'll give a Gleaner T or E a run for its money with my Super 100 any day, even though I know who will win. Plus "100" is a nice round number. I even think the model number looks cool. I'll have to see if I can find a photo of my Super 100 advertisement poster I got at the Orange Spectacular this year....they really puffed up the 100's ego in that poster. It's just awesome! 
Anyways....after about 10 years of searching, my family finally got a Super 100 a little over a year ago, and we had it at the Orange Spectacular this year. It's my baby, and I once thought about putting a velvet rope around it. It's in pretty good shape, but it's a pretty basic machine, so I'm always looking for any of the attachments for it, such as the 3' header extension (different from a regular 100 extension) power steering, creeper gear, hydrotraction drive, rear straw chopper/spreader, lights, etc. 
So far I've got the pick up head that came with it, and that's it, but I'll get there someday. 

Anyways....sorry that's so long. Probably more than you cared to hear. Hopefully we can get a few photos here, and I can add this one to my registry (I have a registry of the 20 something 100's I know exist so far, and I'm always looking to add to it. Unfortunately I only have the serial numbers for about 12)
If you need any advice while you're fixing it up, there are several of us that have these machines, including one who is restoring a Super 100 down to the last nut and bolt. Get yourself an operator's manual, you've got us here to help you along the way, and you'll be geared for success! (Unlike the 100's initial design, haha) 





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Here are those photos...sorry they're so big....you'll have to zoom out on your screen to see them better. The ad is for a Super 100, but your SP-100 is quite similar. The Super 100 differences are minimal. They have a factory inclined steering wheel, larger wheels, a header auger with retractable fingers as standard equipment (rare option on regular 100) a taller radiator air stack, larger radiator, improved instrument panel relocated to the right side of the operator (and using a sending unit for the oil pressure gauge), the header height control lever is different, a different idler bracket is used for the long belt on the back of the separator, a new brace on the upper end of the feeder house, and the unloading auger hinges in the middle, whereas the regular 100 auger is all one piece, making it somewhat cumbersome to fold to transport position. (It lays across the top of the bin) 
Also, in that last photo you can see the optional rear straw chopper/spreader. I've only heard of 3 in existence, and only one is operational as of right now. 


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Thanks! Gotta love dry land combines, don't you? They just don't rust. One of my 60As has a similar patina to it. Rub a coat of wax on it, and from personal experience I guarantee it'll take on a near factory shine! 
Well I can see right away you have the optional balloon wheels and tires. I've seen a set of those once before, but they are still rare in my book. Also, those mounting brackets, linkage and spring hanging by the fuel tank is indicative of a rear straw spreader being used at some point. If you could find the spreader around there somewhere, that would be a real gold mine! (At least to me it would be...) If you'll look at my photo showing the spreader on the combine, you can see that same top linkage and spring. 

In fact...here's a slightly better photo I got from a fellow forum member, Roger Lee. He's the one restoring a Super 100. Even though the guard is present, you can still see the top  linkage. 




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     Thanks Creston, you said a mouth full.
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Thanks for the replies. I'll get more pictures and post as I go. Its kind of buried as you can see. It does have a nine foot header. Thanks again - I will keep you posted with new information as I obtain it.
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Originally posted by oldstuff oldstuff wrote:

Thanks for the replies. I'll get more pictures and post as I go. Its kind of buried as you can see. It does have a nine foot header. Thanks again - I will keep you posted with new information as I obtain it.
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uh....Creston....you didn't mention anything about driving them on "soft" ground!!!
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Originally posted by shameless dude shameless dude wrote:

uh....Creston....you didn't mention anything about driving them on "soft" ground!!!
Uh...ok...yeah...them flotation tires you got will help you on soft ground. Regular tires, not so much. 
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I notice the other one has duels, maybe a useful addition to the one at Hutch!

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Thanks, Creston! Ive been around AC for 62 years and I just learned a lot!!!!!!
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Wow, all that from a 19 year old young man! To say that Iam impressed is an understatement. I thought I was passionate about AC, but Creston just blew me away. Man I am so proud of you for your wealth of knowledge, passion for this machine you have made me so interested in it that I want to learn more about this combine. They do look neat, and what a great barn find! Had no idea they were so rare. Please keep updating this thread as you dig this rare machine from the grips of the earth.
Creston, you are the SP-100 whisperer! Great explaination and attention to detail young man!
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Thank you very much! That really does mean a lot. I come from a family that appreciates my ability to work on these machines and keep them going, but they don't really appreciate the history as much as we Allis guys so, so it really is nice to hear other people appreciate it as well. It makes me feel maybe this isn't all for nothing. 

I know there are guys out there who know a lot more about the actual mechanics/problem solving part of the combine than I do, for sure....a pair of guys I talked to at Hutch that had a fleet of them back in the 50s and 60s for instance. I gained most of my knowledge from books and talking to other 100 owners. I've only got about 30 acres of actual field experience with one. That'll change though, when I get my machine home from Minnesota, even though I hate to "wear it out" too much with the shape it's in now.

Over their 6 year run, they made roughly 6,500 of the SP-100 and Super 100s together (The last 999 were Super 100s), so while they're out there, they're nowhere near as common as the 360,000 pull types produced. 
Boy, did their mass-production plan fall short...wow. 
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I thought I would let everyone know I will post more pictures if I can get them before the snow flies. I am preoccupied with keeping the old machine shed upright - its leaning pretty badly. Snow last year three to four feet. I need some advice on where to look for a carburetor for this machine - is that a subject for a separate post? Please advise me on the protocol for posting. Thanks everyone.
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Good luck with your shed! With the snow you guys get, I'd want to make sure it's shored up. We only got a a couple inches last year, so it's something I never really thought about way down here. (I wish I could buy property and have a nice All-Crop come with it in a shed....maybe I need to up my odds by buying more land?)

As far as the carb...it's just a WD45 carburetor, so it should be very easy to obtain. The correct place to post would be in the "Classifieds" section. People selling one may be more likely to see it there. There are also several vendors on this site who could help you out, I'm sure. 
Also...I highly suggest you get an operator's manual. Usually they got for about $10-$15. You can learn a lot from one of those. Someone here may have one, or I'm sure you could find one on eBay. 


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Nice find! I too as well as Creston love these all crop I have a SP 100 like yours just acquired it this summer, fun machine to operate! Sure give you an appreciation for the farmers that ran one for a living sitting in that dust day in day out!
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I recall in 1959 the local AC dealer Brockwell Motors brought in 5 or 6 new Super 100's to sell.
Could the  price have been $5,000.00.
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Originally posted by WD45 WD45 wrote:

I recall in 1959 the local AC dealer Brockwell Motors brought in 5 or 6 new Super 100's to sell.
Could the  price have been $5,000.00.
That sounds about right. Naturally, Swinford's book has all the All-Crop list prices except the 100, but I think I read somewhere the list price was $4,500. 
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It's unreal how much you know about them all crop harvesters, Creston. Thanks for sharing your wealth of knowledge. And thanks also to the original poster for sharing his find with us, and taking the time to bring it back to life, rather than sell it for scrap like some would do.
And one final question, what's with the cab on the 100 in that one picture? Was that a factory option? Thanks, Darrel
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Originally posted by darrel in ND darrel in ND wrote:

It's unreal how much you know about them all crop harvesters, Creston. Thanks for sharing your wealth of knowledge. And thanks also to the original poster for sharing his find with us, and taking the time to bring it back to life, rather than sell it for scrap like some would do.
And one final question, what's with the cab on the 100 in that one picture? Was that a factory option? Thanks, Darrel
That cab was made by Ansel. They made a bunch of cabs for farm equipment, and it's uncanny how all the combine cabs look the same. I saw an ad for one on a Deere 95, and they just put the door on the other side. This is the only cab made for a 100 I have ever seen. Another forum member told me he saw one in Kansas about 20 years ago though, but it was destroyed in a tornado. 
Our local farm museum has a Deere model 99 2 row cotton picker on LPG (Deere's first truly self-propelled picker), and the picker itself is a very rare machine, but it also has an Ansel cab. It's very roomy and looks almost just like the one on that 100, except the door is on the other side. Unfortunately, before the museum added on to the building so the picker could be inside, a large tree branch fell during an ice storm and sprung the cab all out of shape. Some day I would like to remove it, and refurbish it. Not because I like Deere so much, but because of how rare the whole unit is, cab and picker. I've never seen another of either. Luckily the guy that donated the machine is still alive, so I bet I could get more info from him about it. Supposedly he picked cotton with it the year before donating it, and it's really not in that bad of shape. 

Also...you're right, Darrel...most people would probably just scrap that old combine out, but I'm glad he's saving it. I'll never stop kicking myself for not snatching up a $10 SP-100 from an auction a few miles from me back in 2010. If I had been older than 12 at the time, I would've bought it, as it had a 12' header on it. That alone would be worth the $10 in my opinion. Unfortunately, it went to scrap, along with most everything else at the sale. The place the auction was at was home to the largest A-C dealer in Oklahoma back in the 50s-70s. That 100 was SP-2419, and I was told by the dealer's brother it was the first 100 they ever received. They liked it so much that they kept it for themselves to use, so technically the scrap man was the first buyer of it. They had some Allis tractors with the same story, except they didn't go to scrap, luckily. 


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you have an early 1955 to last of the 54 model SP100 combines, the 226 engine was an option on the SP100 when the engine first came out but was standard on the super100 when they hit the market in 1957 as was the retractable finger auger which was also an option towards the end of the SP 100 production from the end of 1955 to 1957.the 3' extension was to be used where the grain was only head harvested and not a lot of straw was to be cut.
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