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 Posted: 29 Apr 2020 at 8:43am |
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Chris, I don’t know if you have locked a contractor yet. Price “Shirks Pole Buildings” out of East Earl PA and request “Linus” pronounced “Lunus”. I had them build my shop and barn a few years ago. They can do what you want, Morton was 2x the cost and are within 4 miles of me. I will attach some pictures of what I have. I am very happy with all aspects of their business.
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Posted: 29 Apr 2020 at 8:10am |
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Like you I hate cutting trees...but seeing the wood and knowing it will be 'useful' makes one feel a little better. keep on track with your project and enjoy the ride, not the worries
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Floyd, I do worry a lot! Thanks for your support and words. This is the largest most expensive project I have taken on. And at my age I seriously wonder if I am doing the right thing. Some days it seems a little foolish and or selfish. Have been thinking about something like this building for many years! I will be hiring most of the work done. As I just would not be able to do this building in a timely fashion. I plan to keep busy trying to keep things cleaned up on the job site, run for supplies, or hold the dumb end of the tape measure for someone that knows more about this stuff than me! Regards, Chris
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Posted: 29 Apr 2020 at 7:59am |
m16ty, Thanks for checking in on me. And the suggestions. Yes I have thought about the storage and shop thing too. And I really had considered two separate structures at one time too. Really the tractors could set on gravel in a shed type building and be fine. My property is not real big so the whole project has some compromises. I had thought about a lean too and the builders recommendations were to be most cost effective build it all under one roof. I have thought about maybe only cementing one half and also considering havint the work shop area (about 1/4 of the building, being walled off and have a heater in there only. Still working on the details. I am hoping its a real nice addition to the property, the wife can pay for it, and I can live long enough to have some fun in it with my big toys. Those are my three goals!:) Regards, Chris
Edited by Sugarmaker - 01 Aug 2020 at 1:09am
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Posted: 28 Apr 2020 at 10:56pm |
Personally, if you are building a very big building, I would section off the portion that will be your shop. In the winter, there is no use heating the storage or parking areas. Having the actual workshop sectioned off really saves on heat bills.
Also, I've never been a big fan of having the shop and tractor storage in the same building. I think you are better off to have a shop building, and then build a shed for tractor storage, or have several different buildings for things. I just worry about fire, and it can limit your risk if you don't have "all your eggs in one basket", so to speak. Had a neighbor that converted part of an old barn into a shop. He had hay stored in one end, tractors parked in the side shed, and a shop closed off on the other end. One of the tractors had some sort of electrical short while just sitting there, set the barn and hay on fire, and pretty much burnt up everything he had.
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Posted: 28 Apr 2020 at 8:26am |
allis g wrote:
it will never be big enough mine is 30x 100 and crammed full
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allisG, Of course this is a concern of mine also!:) I need to slow down on bringing projects home! Thanks for the support I think!:) Regards, Chris
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Posted: 28 Apr 2020 at 8:22am |
Shameless, The logs are at the Amish saw mill and will be sawn into (4) 1/4 thick lumber (1 inch). I dont know why I get my self into these things! I need a buch of boards like another hole int he head! The cement guys stopped by last night and gave me the estimates for cement in the building. Planning to go the lower cost route with vapor barrier, wire mesh and 4 inches of concrete. I am not planning to be working in the entire building every day, so in floor heating just does not seem cost effective. I had not priced any of this recently and it was a surprise. So the budget will need to be reviewed and adjusted. How come these things always cost more than you expect!:) Hope things are good in Orange Land! Regards, Chris
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Posted: 27 Apr 2020 at 12:17am |
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should get a couple K out of them 2 logs!
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Posted: 26 Apr 2020 at 8:46am |
Thanks guys, I will need a bunch of support and suggestions along the way. The devil is in the details and I have grandoeus plans. We will see how that all works out?:) I will have many trenches and lines run and drains, and power and drains, and power and did I mention drains! Yikes makes my head spin. I think its a good thing I am not planning on doing this all myself. Just a little too big for me to get done in a timely fashion. I also dont have the details in my head, or all the moves to make. Yea on the trees, my theory is that once you touch the chainsaw to them its over and you might as well get on to the rest of the work. The realistic plan is to get the structure up and weathered in. After that will regroup and see what the next moves will be. Will try to document some of the moves on here too. We have rain today. So not much outside work. Regards, Chris
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Posted: 26 Apr 2020 at 7:10am |
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Like you I hate cutting trees...but seeing the wood and knowing it will be 'useful' makes one feel a little better. keep on track with your project and enjoy the ride, not the worries
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Holding a grudge is like taking poison and expecting the other person to die
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Posted: 26 Apr 2020 at 2:35am |
Great progress. Once you cut the trees down, I knew you were serious about building!
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Posted: 25 Apr 2020 at 11:41pm |
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NICE Pics Chris!! Specially you and Mom together and also sitting on those 'twigs'.
Well, the fun is officially now started and you will be having a lot of headaches until it is done.......and that's when the swearing starts. WHY the H&!! didn't I make it bigger, WHY didn't I ,,,,,,,,,,
For me it was laying 6" pipe from the house/barn to the new pole shed. Now everything has to either go overhead, or I still have to trench it in. It's for speaker wires, extra electric, air hose from the compressor in the barn until I get another one for the pole barn. That's just a little bit of all the hollering I have done at myself.
Enjoy finally doing it and who cares if it takes all summer. Just remember every step of the way, to either think of how to change this or what to do to make it better. We've all been there and help is just a keyboard away. But then, you already know that.....
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Posted: 25 Apr 2020 at 9:05pm |
Michael, Folks, I have been thinking about building a shop for many years. Actually long before I started collecting these large orange toys. So Why now? I am sure if I get this building done this year I will kick my self for not having it sooner. Our little spot had two potential locations. This one in the island area. and the other would have been towards the back of the property beyond the drive. It is going to be big and bold and in our face for a while. Neighbor came over with his backhoe and loaded the ash logs.
Today Cheryl also helped me split up the wood from these trees which were in the foot print or very near the new building.
Little moves, as we atttempt to go forward, I think?:) So there was about 2 cord of maple, ash and elm. Regards, Chris
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Posted: 25 Apr 2020 at 8:27am |
I can see already,,, its totally in the wrong place...... It needs to go,,, ah ,,,ah ,,,, about 1500 miles to the southwest....lookin good though, at least your getting started,, I haven't got much past wishing/planning stages...
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Posted: 25 Apr 2020 at 7:13am |
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Posted: 22 Apr 2020 at 8:40pm |
A few more things to get ready for the site prep.
Used the Wide front and trailer to load the sand for the great grands kids. Got that out of the way. Fired up the D17 and used it to pull the basketball hoop.
Neighbor came over and we squared up the corner marking stakes. We need a couple dry days and he should be able to start pushing dirt. Yes the two trees at the north end have to go too. I hate cutting tress down! Regards, Chris
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Posted: 22 Apr 2020 at 2:49pm |
Folks, The electric company fell the ash tree yesterday. I told them to just get it on the ground, and I would clean it up. Sounded great to them!
Loaded the sticks using the trailer and the wide front WD.
Here is a shot of where the shop is planed to land.
Shot from the front of the sugarhouse looking south west.
Regards, Chris
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Posted: 18 Apr 2020 at 9:12am |
Folks, I had not heard of pouring in the light of the moon? I need to brush up on my astrology too! I did think about a 2 post lift. That was the main reason to go with 12 foot inside ceiling height. I don't think I would really need to be that high for anything else. Probably crazy for a old man to have all these ideas. Current stakes in the yard are at 40' wide x 60 ' long. Electric company was called and a fellow from there stopped by yesterday to mark a dead ash tree that will need to come down. They will get it on the ground and we will cut it up. Two other trees will have to come down as they are inside the current building outline. Doesn't make the wife or I happy loosing trees. Our dog will miss the one maple as she lays there a lot! Sorry for the rambling. Thanks for checking in on me too! Posting helps me stay on track a little bit. During these difficult time I struggle to understand if I am doing the right thing on considering a major, expensive project? Regards, Chris
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Posted: 18 Apr 2020 at 8:31am |
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did you allow room for a 4 post lift?
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It was a good suggestion to put heavy plastic down before you pour your concrete. It will keep the flour from sweating in the spring or frosting in the winter. It will also keep the water from leaking out of your concrete taking a lot of your cement with it. In other words, less cracking. Now, believe it or not pour your floor in the light of the moon. It will be more stable (float) and definitely will not crack as bad. Leon
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Posted: 17 Apr 2020 at 10:22pm |
I'd suggest making it as wide as you can, say 40'-45' and then as long as you can afford/ think you need. Then in a couple years you can add on to the length for more storage. You might go to the Successful Farming web site, they have an issue each year with "best ides for your shop", some pretty impressive and expensive places but lots of good ides that can be used in a more modest building. My 2 cents.
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Posted: 17 Apr 2020 at 4:27pm |
allis g wrote:
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Man I thought I had that part figured out! Your probably correct. If I keep bringing stuff home the 4 acres will be full! Regards, Chris
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Posted: 17 Apr 2020 at 12:28pm |
it will never be big enough mine is 30x 100 and crammed full
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Posted: 17 Apr 2020 at 8:56am |
Guys, The folks that have poured some buildings like this are recommending 4 foot of the insulation around the building perimeter to keep the frost out too. Thanks for the ideas and suggestions! Regards, Chris |
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and....frost will come up under the outside walls to about 4 ft in. I insulated my concrete floor with 2 inch 4x8 foam panels under the concrete. it has never settled or crushed down all these years and I sure can tell the difference on the warmth on the floor every winter.
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For insulation, go with spray foam. I did foam on my shop that's a combination concrete block/pole lean to. It basically turned it into an Igloo Cooler. My heat source is a mini split ductless system. It provides both heat and A/C. I went this route because the first summer I had a layer of mildew on everything. The beauty of the mini split is it's very economical to operate so you just turn it on and leave it on.
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Posted: 16 Apr 2020 at 8:56pm |
Folks, At home due to weather and trying to not venture out much anyway. I spent a lot of the day doing soft work on the building project. It had been several years since I used Sketch-up design system. I was able to work on variations of the proposed floor plan. Not sure I can add it in here its a PDF output file. Ok So I could not figure out how to load a PDF so took some pictures of the screen the resized them, and then loaded. Don't laugh too hard will try to improve this sketch!:)
Not great pictures of the 3D sketches, sure not complete. and I am very rusty on CAD. Havent decided about location of the man door coming into the tool shop? Maybe in line with the stairs? Maybe around the corner. ceiling height 12 foot. garages doors in this design 10 foot high 12 foot wide. 3 foot walk doors.
The big blue thing on the floor is my truck outline. The "tool shop" is about 20 feet sq. I moved the man door between the two 12 foot garage doors. Have stairs going to a loft area for some storage. Will be a 6/12 pitch. Regards, Chris
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Posted: 16 Apr 2020 at 5:52pm |
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Your idea of sketch of the building would be good. Make it to scale and take measurements of tractors and other "toys" so you know things will fit where you think they will.
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Posted: 16 Apr 2020 at 2:49pm |
Folks, Was just reviewing all the shop design and detail comments! So many good ideas here. I will use some and some may not fit my building design and or budget. I thank you for all of them! Regards,
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Posted: 16 Apr 2020 at 1:20pm |
Folks, Just a update, We continue to move slowly forward on this. I wake up in the middle of the night wondering about this project! Some of the paperwork has been set in motion. Things like permits, 811 call, Electric engineer visited and gave me quote to get power to the building. She did a survey of our annual electric usage and found we dont even get close to using 100 amps at any point through the year. So we will be going with new service disconnect on the new building and then run new power to the house panel. Also my electrician was here to do rough measurements and is working up a quote. Found out the supplier for gravel doesnt have the appropriate material for the building base at this time. And the contractor to do the site prep has just been called back to work. Cement contractors will be stopping in to provide quotes on flooring options. So one move forward one move back. Sounds about right. I have developed a general plan for the function/ layout in the building. I may wall in approx 1/4 th of the building as the shop for tools and work benches. This would be a area approx 20 x 20. I may try to sketch this up? Also looking at light storage in approx 50% of the attic area. May build a permanent set of 4 foot wide stairs to enter that area above. Lots of details. I would like a bunch of things that just may not be in the budget for a while. If/ when this building project moves forward, I will try to take some pictures. Regards, Chris
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A heated paint booth could also double as a pickup storage area when not in use.
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