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truckerfarmer ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 26 Jan 2013 Location: Watertown, SD Points: 3266 |
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Just put a head gasket in my TL12 loader, (WD45 engine). Book says to set to .012" when at operating temp. Says nothing about initial setting when cold. Generally 'swell' from cold to hot on solid lifter cam engines is .004-.005". I set them at .016" cold. Haven't fired it up yet.
Just wondering what others set them at initially when you assemble them. |
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SteveM C/IL ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Shelbyville IL Points: 8525 |
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I believe I was told by DR Allis to go with .015 cold. It's been fine. If it rattles a lot cold you may need to change it. Leave as is and after heating up good,retorque head cold,then reset valves.
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Phil48ACWC ![]() Silver Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 Jan 2013 Location: Vermont Points: 297 |
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AC Service Manual says .010" Hot. Set at .010" cold, start engine and bring up to temperature and recheck .010" clearance. Clearance gets bigger as engine heats up.
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DrAllis ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Points: 21499 |
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..015" or .016" COLD is just fine. None of this HOT B.S. that cools off while you are adjusting.
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Ed (Ont) ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 08 Nov 2009 Location: New Lowell, Ont Points: 1466 |
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Phil - clearance gets smaller as engine heats up. That’s why cold setting is always a bit more. Usually a couple thou does the trick. My operating instruction manual says .012 hot. So as doc says .015 cold. If you start at .010 cold you will have some issues. If I remember correctly I set mine at .014 cold. Runs great!
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Oldwrench ![]() Bronze Level ![]() Joined: 12 Jan 2020 Location: Northeast Points: 142 |
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I've always been curious why some manufacturers specify valve lash hot, and others use cold. Setting them cold is so much easier and more consistent than trying to make sure the engine is heat soaked, then setting the valves fast enough so the engine doesn't cool. I don't see any technical reason why they couldn't all spec the valve clearances while cold.
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DrAllis ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Points: 21499 |
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Long, long time ago I watched an old Tech adjusting valves with the engine hot and idling. That, to me, would be a HOT setting...….engine running. Cold has always worked for me and is the easiest.
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truckerfarmer ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 26 Jan 2013 Location: Watertown, SD Points: 3266 |
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Thanks for the input everyone.
DrAllis,I have a mechanic friend that does that all the time on engines he builds. |
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'53 WD, '53 WD45, WD snap coupler field cultivator, #53 plow,'53 HD5B dozer Duct tape.... Can't fix stupidity. But will muffle the sound of it! |
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Steve in NJ ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Andover, NJ Points: 11950 |
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Solid lifter cams no matter what they were in, I always set cold. Hydraulic lifter cams I used to adjust the lash to where the rocker could be moved a tic side to side cold at TDC on each cylinder, (valves closed) then while the engine was running at normal operating temp, do any re-adjusting that might be needed especially with the old TRW anti-pump up lifters. That's how I was taught as a young lad in the early 60's... Steve@B&B
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Brian G. NY ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: 12194 Points: 2259 |
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Being old, I remember guys adjusting valves with engines running......very common back in the "ol days". Some of the old timers made up valve covers with the tops cut out to alleviate "some" of the mess. Go-NoGo feeler gauges made the job a little easier and quicker. |
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SteveM C/IL ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Shelbyville IL Points: 8525 |
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Cat specs em cold. Nice to work with. Foggy memory says 2cyle Detroit gave cold setting but wanted checked hot for .002 less. The cold number was usually right on the hot. Cat gives you + - .002 and still "good".
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LionelinKY ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Radcliff,KY Points: 695 |
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It has been a while since I had to look this up, but, weren't there different settings for intake vs exhaust valves??
I do remember that many years ago as a much younger lad, I took it upon myself to give the old WD45 a tune-up as a surprise for my Dad. I bought all of the ignition components myself as well as a carb rebuild kit. Cleaned the carb and installed all the new components as well as installed all the new ignition parts without any trouble whatsoever. Figured while I was at it, I'd pull the valve cover quick to check/adjust the valves if need be. Silly boy I was, I went by the book whatever it did say. They were close but not what the book said so I adjusted them. Got her buttoned back up, fired up, and carb adjusted before I drove her to where Dad was working. He took notice as my work had made a difference-she was definitely running better. As we discussed all that I had done, he was noticeably impressed and dare I say, somewhat proud until I mentioned that I had been into the valves. He asked me point blank what the settings were to which I replied that I had used the manual. At this point, he instructed me to walk back to get the necessary tools to pull the valve cover and do it again right where she sat. As we opened her back up, he did explain to me why we were doing so. The story went that about 25 years prior to this when she had her last rebuild, the local AC mechanic re-built her engine to maximize hp output per Dad's request. At that time, she was still the big tractor on the farm. The XT wouldn't show up for another 2-3 years. Dad never really bothered to get the details on just what was done because he was so ecstatic when they told him that she dynoed out at 56 hp at the pto when all was said and done. This elation was short lived, however, when she quickly developed a habit of burning valves. After a little trial and error costing some valves, they discovered that the sweet spot seemed to be a setting of 0.013" across all the valves and she finally stopped burning them. The whole time I was growing up, I don't recall her ever being down or her engine worked on again. We set all the valves back to 0.013" that day and those valves from the late 60s are still in there to this day.
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Ed (Ont) ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 08 Nov 2009 Location: New Lowell, Ont Points: 1466 |
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Lionel is that cold or hot setting? Either way that is pretty much stock setting. Maybe that’s why it works so well! 😀😀 LOL.
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truckerfarmer ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 26 Jan 2013 Location: Watertown, SD Points: 3266 |
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Well, got it fired up today. Set at .016 cold. Started right up and ran good. Got water temperature up to 175'. All but 3 were .012 after warmed up. Tried my hand at setting while running. Bit of a challenge chasing the adjusting screw with the screwdriver.
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Looking at the past to see the future.
'53 WD, '53 WD45, WD snap coupler field cultivator, #53 plow,'53 HD5B dozer Duct tape.... Can't fix stupidity. But will muffle the sound of it! |
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Ted J ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 05 Jul 2010 Location: La Crosse, WI Points: 18923 |
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Darwin, that is why I've always said that any mechanic should have at least three arms. One hand to hold the feeler gauge, one to hold the top of the screw driver and one to hold the bottom near the blade to keep it in the slot.
I used to have a screw driver my Uncle made. It had a cup (upside down) that fit over the head of the screw and kept it in place. Hmmm...........I wonder where that walked off to...did a lot of them running,,,,,,,,,,,,back in the day. I like that idea of a cut off top on the valve cover. Beats the heck out of putting towels on both sides.... |
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DrAllis ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Points: 21499 |
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Also takes four hands to operate a WC. One hand on each brake handle, one on the steering wheel and the fourth on the throttle when the notches are worn out !!!
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LionelinKY ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Radcliff,KY Points: 695 |
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That was cold which was 1 reason why he had me walk back to get the tools. Like others have commented, Dad always thought it was silly to specify a hot setting when adjustments were a lot easier and way less messy when it wasn't running-LOL.
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