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    Posted: 12 Sep 2011 at 8:07pm
Like Dick L showed in a recent thread. I cut one in two to knock out some serious dents top and bottom and to derust the inside. Anybody who says you can pop dents out of a B gas tank with air pressure is a dreamer. It took lots of hard licks with a very big hammer to get them out close enough to bondo the outside . After sandblasting the inside the very bottom looks like a slice of swiss cheese. It looked better than that from the outside before I started this project. Now that I got the dents worked out I would like to fix the bottom from the inside. Any build up on the outside will mess up the fit.
    I have worked with fiberglass and resin on the inside of B grill bottoms and from the outside they look great.
    My Question is. Will the fiberglass resin remain firm and bond strong to the clean steel while submursed in Gasoline inside the tank? After it is welded back together I plan to Redcoat the whole inside before putting any gas in. I know of nothing that softens fiberglass.
   I have to ask my kid what he uses to strip a Vette and not ruin the gell coat. I bet sandblasting a Vette would be out of the question
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I had one that looked like a screen when I got done cleaning it and I used Kreem brand tank liner on it and it's still holding fine. The Kreem is thick enough so it doesn't run out the holes but there were some some spots of Kreem that I had to sand off on the outside. Somehow I missed the thread on spliting a tank, how long ago was it?
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I have a D15 II gas tank with a big dent on top if anyone is interested.  I already have my replacement for it.
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I had a B with dents in the top, I drilled holes and pulled the dents out using sheet metal screws and a waterpump pliers. I called the Bondo company, but they said not to use it where it will contact gas. They sugested using fibreglass material and resin. The gas does not damage the fibreglass. A lot less work then aplitting the tank and then rewelding.
You can now get a stud welder and pull the dents that way with no holes in the tank
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To knock the dents out of our tank on the WF, I used a hard wood Dowl that would fit thru the filler hole and one that fit thru the taped hole on the bottom. Rounded the end of the dowl ,and set the tank on an old towel to knock the dents out.
 You could also  tack weld on a nut over the dent and then screw on a slide hammer and gently pull out the dent. 
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Hey.  I should have taken some pictures of this tank to show what happens when you use a stud welder. Ha Ha Ha. It don't do scat. No holes huh. Still had all the dents and all kinds of 1/8 in. holes. This gas tank tin is way to thick to use anything but blunt force trauma to knock them out, The same way the dents probably got in there in the first place.
  My Next step is lay a 1/8 inch layer of fiberglass and resin in the bottom half. What have I got to loose?
    LONN.
    Dick L's  tank cutting and repair got into another thread  (What AC parts would you like to see reproduced?) about a week ago. I figure if he could find the patience to salvage a throw away tank , so could I.
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Search Remanufactured Allis parts Lonn. You posted a reply in this thread.
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I found it, very interesting. Ken, I thought I must be losing my mind if I posted on it and didn't remember but I see the other Lonn from MN was the one that posted on that thread.
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Ken: I think you will be alright with the fiberglass as long as you use a tank liner afterwards. Just don't use the fiberglass high enough where you have to weld.
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I have sent two tanks to a outfit in ILL. that lines them with a baked on epoxy 400 degrees they say and have had no trouble yet , been about 5 years I think.
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Originally posted by Ken in Texas Ken in Texas wrote:

Hey.  I should have taken some pictures of this tank to show what happens when you use a stud welder. Ha Ha Ha. It don't do scat. No holes huh. Still had all the dents and all kinds of 1/8 in. holes. This gas tank tin is way to thick to use anything but blunt force trauma to knock them out, The same way the dents probably got in there in the first place.
  My Next step is lay a 1/8 inch layer of fiberglass and resin in the bottom half. What have I got to loose?
    LONN.
    Dick L's  tank cutting and repair got into another thread  (What AC parts would you like to see reproduced?) about a week ago. I figure if he could find the patience to salvage a throw away tank , so could I.
I was watching a youtube video where a guy was pulling a crease out of a door.  He put five or six welded studs in a row and use a flat vise to pinch all the studs at once and then pulled on the vise.  He pulled an 18 inch long crease in about 5 minutes. 
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I patched a hole in the side of a carb with epoxy. It held for 8-10 years, then began to flake off. Guess where the flakes went.

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Yep. On auto door skins, fenders, hoods and roofs  the tin is so thin it works. Bring these guys a B gas tank with a bashed in top and in 5 minutes they will not have a youtube video to show off.
     Now, I have heard of filling the dented tank with water and freezing it. Trouble with this theory is the pressure created by the freezing ice is not just pushing on the dent.  
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Originally posted by Ken in Texas Ken in Texas wrote:

Yep. On auto door skins, fenders, hoods and roofs  the tin is so thin it works. Bring these guys a B gas tank with a bashed in top and in 5 minutes they will not have a youtube video to show off.
     Now, I have heard of filling the dented tank with water and freezing it. Trouble with this theory is the pressure created by the freezing ice is not just pushing on the dent.  
With something as small as a tank especially if it is cut in half I wonder how well a hydraulic press would work like those 12 and 20 ton shop presses.  If you could make a curved die the press could do most of the hard work.
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My thoughts exactly. I'm planning to try to do exactly as you sugest. Where I'm having a problem is the metal is streached. Smoothing out the wrikles is distorting the tank shape. I may just work out the wrinkles with body filler on the outside.
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Originally posted by Ken in Texas Ken in Texas wrote:

My thoughts exactly. I'm planning to try to do exactly as you sugest. Where I'm having a problem is the metal is streached. Smoothing out the wrikles is distorting the tank shape. I may just work out the wrinkles with body filler on the outside.
 
Do you think the heat and rapid cool method could shrink the metal?
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you can always shrink the metal.  I read in an old body manual & I have tried it. 
Basicly heat  a spot  on the winkle about the size of a nickle  red hot then peen around the edges of the hot spot.  it pushes the metal into the softer red spot.  keep repeating over & over around the warp. 
I used this on a B hood that was warped around the exhaust. its very labor intensive but it does work.    
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You can shrink the metal with the off dolly method without heat. There is two methods, at least, in the off dolly shrinking. Both work but they both may have to be tried to get the best results. I saw a short video on youtube a while back showing the off dolly method of shrinking a streached metal dent. The video was for auto body steel. Heavier metal takes a little bit of a heavier hand.
The one I use most is placing the dolly beside the dint and tap around the dint just in from the edge of the dolly. You don't beat the daylights out of it. You can also buy a shrinking hammer which helps but not needed.
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I tried the Bondo Brand Fiberglass Jelly to put a layer on the bottom of my CA tank, it almost lasted an hour before the gas was running all over the floor. I thought about trying this again with red kote in the tank not sure if my results would be any better.
 
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Ethanol will dissolve most fiberglass resin over time.  i have a Bertram yacht with fiberglass tank and I have to be very careful that I do not put ethanol gas in it.  The alcohol will dissolve the resin and deposit on the inside of your valves.  When you shut down the goo is soft and will then solidify, gluing the valve shut.  The result is a trashed valve train.  Google it if you want to confirm it.  Only the special resin they make station gas tanks out of will hold up.
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