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    Posted: 27 Jun 2015 at 10:40pm
So I think its time to add a round baler to my fleet. Only problem is what do I need to know about them? The good the bad etc.
 
I dont want to make giant bales maybe something in the 500 pound perhaps up to 800 ish.
 
What brand do i want to look at. Do I want a chain baler or belt baler?
 
Thanks for the help
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We have always had krone and like them they are chain baler not a fan of the belt balers 
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Go with a belt baler. 500lbs would be around a 4x4 size. hesston makes one in that size
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The hesston 530 is a great starter baler, or for smaller production.  It makes a bale 39" wide, up to 54 " in diameter.  Up to 600 lbs, depending on conditions.  Only for dry hay, not haylage.  It has been made for 25 years, and has been re-badged as a Case-IH 8420, and New idea 6320(?).  I have a 5530, one of the older models.  Older ones I have seen go for as little as $2k, at auction.  I pull mine with a D-10, so low power doesn't bother the end result...
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I use a hesston 560 behind my xt. It's set to make a 5x5 bale and in alfalfa I'm getting bales between 900 and 1100 pounds. Too heavy for you I know but one thing to look at is how the baler operates. My hesston is completely self contained. Meaning all I do is hook up the monitor and pto. No hydraulics. The baler has its own pump and everything is controlled by the monitor. When the bale reaches the set size it sounds an alarm and I push start. It then wraps, stops the belts, opens the gate, runs the bale kicker out, shuts the gate, brings the kicker back, starts the belts and gives a green light to start again. All this without ever doing anything other than placing the pd in neutral. I love it! It's so simple it only took one round and my beautiful wife mastered it and bales by herself quite often when I'm busy.
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belt baler and if you can, net wrap! although I was talking to a guy this week with a Deutz-Allis round baler and he loves it. especially the tying mechanism
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Do yourself a favor and talk to some custom operators that run diff. brands. They know how stuff works when pushed for time, plus how to make loose bales (many landowners who sell their hay ask for looser bales made so they have more to sell, or custom guys run em looser so they can charge for more bales made), plus custom guys also know how to make em super tight and heavy which is preferred for weather and shipping by some of the landowners.
These custom guys know best on what takes a beating and the larger operations will trade them off every other year so they have minimal wear breakdowns.
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watch close, don't fill with to much hay and gets it stuck inside!
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NH 7060 you cant feed it the hay fast enough. Starts bails easy also
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Do most of these balers have a monitor or is there some other what the baler tells me when the baler is full?
 
As dave said his baler does everything on its own. No need to hook up hydraulics. Some balers need to hook up hydraulics? What would the hydraulics do? Just open the back door?
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On some balers there are hydraulics for the gate, bale kicker, twine arms and in some case a hydraulic lift on the pickup.
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Oh wow I didnt realize they could use that many hydraulics.

Can I buy a 4x5 and only fill it say 3/4 full then throw out the bale or do i have to fill it plum full?
 
Also how hard is it to start a bale after ejecting a bale.
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On the baler I run it will make up to a 6' bale, you set a slide gauge to the desired height and it sounds the alarm there. Also you need to watch out on the old balers they were a "closed throat" baler. These are harder to feed and harder to start a bale. This 560 of mine is a open throat baler baler and even on this heavy first cut alfalfa I could run 3rd high side and it just kept asking for more! Dad has an old international baler that is closed throat and after running both I wouldn't take one even if someone paid me!
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We had chain and belt balers. I really think the new holland chain balers are tougher they also are better it you have rough hay them things will bale anything. We know have a 8430 case ih and like it too I believe they are made by Heston. We had john Deere to they are good bales but I think they are to complicated to fix lots of springs and such that hast to be just right for them to work.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote DiyDave Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 Jun 2015 at 5:00am
on the hesstons, manual says to go across a few windrows, to start bale.  Also, there is a short crop spreader bar, that once removed, makes the first cutting bales start much easier.  Also, don't run it to full (alarm sounding) or they get hard to eject...
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I own a 1860 gehl. Buy them fairly cheep and are a decent baler in my opinion. They done make the tightest bale but it works for me. I make mine about 5x6. Can make smaller with no problems.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote bobkyllo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Jul 2015 at 9:13pm
what is the difference between the fixed throat and the variable throat?
 
Does a person need a monitor?
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I have a Vermeer Rebel 5400. makes a 4x5 up to a 6 foot bale. low hp. Use 1 set of hydraulics.   Been a good baler making about 200 bales a year. Easy to a start a bale.

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I've never heard of fixed or variable throat?   I do know that a closed throat baler is hard to feed hay into (takes patience and practice) . Open throat is easier and faster to feed. A fixed "chamber" is a "soft center" bale. Meaning the hay is loosely rolled often creating a star shape In the center of the bale and the tension comes on towards the end of the bale. These bales often sag but are said to breathe and make better quality feed. A variable chamber baler creates tension from the get go. It will store better outside as they shed moisture better. Also they are easier to master at making a nice looking bale.
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